Artificial Intelligence and Lazarus ide

[tooknox]

I am a millennial and just a month back made an internal tool with Lazarus/FPC for a Fortune 500 company.

This is very interesting to know. Although there is an obvious query: is your the language choice, or a company choice? how much projects that company decide to do with FPC/Delphi?
Because in a big company many developers do they private tools, in whatever language they want. But it's very different, of course, what "official" language a company choose to use in enterprise projects.

If you want a RAD tool that's not Microsoft and you don't want to do C++, you have no option my friend Lazarus/Delphi is all there is. And while RAD is great n all, you can do as low level stuff as you want...

Yes and no. Today many interactive apps are web based. Not only internet/intranet, but also local apps, as VS Code.
So, if RAD is related to Gui, one has many choice (although I think web base local apps are greatly inefficient).

Well we do hardware and cloud stuff. One of our internal teams had a unique requirement and they needed cross-platform support. I suggested Lazarus/FPC, a few eye squints later I was given a go ahead. So it's not a personal tool. It could have been done in Java but the sheer simplicity with grab it from internal repo and double click to run sealed the deal for Lazarus/FPC. But yeah I do understand what you mean.

And yes I forgot to include web...excluding web and c++. But why choose web for local apps.

1) is a misconception for database applications. There is a huge professional market for Delphi for that reason, although it has certainly diminished in size by ~80% since the early 2000ths, because of its former scale - like "everybody" used it - it is still huge.

Maybe "huge" is not the best word to use, compared to other languages.
And surely large part of Delphi market is of limited-size legacy applications. They will die when main developers will retire, and the little companies behind them will close their activity.
Anyway it's difficult to find statistics on Delphi market, to do rational comparison. Same for FPC/Lazarus.

I don't know how is the market of Delphi, but for sure is not limited to legacy applications. Of course is "nothing" compared to C# or C++ market, but there are many and many professional apps made with Delphi in every fields.

And like always Pascal is died and will die ... yes of course but Pascal is still there, it doesn't know to be died 

While Lazarus/FPC is great, I do feel that Embarcadero can boost Delphi adoption if only they released the base/Community compiler for unrestricted use. I mean I don't know how feasible is that, and I am ok with whatever they wanna charge for their full fledged IDE or even their tools, but compiler could really help the situation. That's my only gripe with Embarcadero.

[gidesa]

Well we do hardware and cloud stuff. One of our internal teams had a unique requirement and they needed cross-platform support. I suggested Lazarus/FPC, a few eye squints later I was given a go ahead. So it's not a personal tool. It could have been done in Java but the sheer simplicity with grab it from internal repo and double click to run sealed the deal for Lazarus/FPC. But yeah I do understand what you mean.

Very good! Maybe this success project will open a greater use in your company.

And yes I forgot to include web...excluding web and c++. But why choose web for local apps.

I'm not a fan of local web apps. Maybe someone think that they are easily portable, and easily scalable to real net apps (in theory, as always).

[gidesa]

I don't know how is the market of Delphi, but for sure is not limited to legacy applications. Of course is "nothing" compared to C# or C++ market, but there are many and many professional apps made with Delphi in every fields.

I have written "large part" is legacy, not "only" legacy ;-) But without valid statistics, all are hypothesis.
Anyway, long life to Pascal/Delphi/Fpc!

[LeP]

While Lazarus/FPC is great, I do feel that Embarcadero can boost Delphi adoption if only they released the base/Community compiler for unrestricted use. I mean I don't know how feasible is that, and I am ok with whatever they wanna charge for their full fledged IDE or even their tools, but compiler could really help the situation. That's my only gripe with Embarcadero.

They don't based on CE version their market (CE version is 2 years old, may be more from regular release).
Everyone working in production with Delphi uses the paid versions—some use PRO, some use ENT (like me), and some use ARCH.

Many don't consistently update the release (you can see this from the requests in the forums and in the QP), but they still use the paid version, not the "free" one.

The paid versions offer the greatest availability of Delphi features, and I must honestly say that the maintenance cost in my market is easily justified.

[LeP]

I have written "large part" is legacy, not "only" legacy ;-) But without valid statistics, all are hypothesis.
Anyway, long life to Pascal/Delphi/Fpc!

If you search in the forum there was a discussion about Pascal projects ... you can see there. And go to the Embarcadero site, you'll see some of them. Others are under NDA and cannot be explicity exposed. But you can see the brands that work with Delphi.
A statistic means nothing since major part of works are not exposed (like mine).

[tooknox]

While Lazarus/FPC is great, I do feel that Embarcadero can boost Delphi adoption if only they released the base/Community compiler for unrestricted use. I mean I don't know how feasible is that, and I am ok with whatever they wanna charge for their full fledged IDE or even their tools, but compiler could really help the situation. That's my only gripe with Embarcadero.

They don't based on CE version their market (CE version is 2 years old, may be more from regular release).
Everyone working in production with Delphi uses the paid versions—some use PRO, some use ENT (like me), and some use ARCH.

Many don't consistently update the release (you can see this from the requests in the forums and in the QP), but they still use the paid version, not the "free" one.

The paid versions offer the greatest availability of Delphi features, and I must honestly say that the maintenance cost in my market is easily justified.

Of course for production use paying for Delphi is way to go. Even Visual Studio Enterprise costs money, any serious platform would cost money. What I meant was making the compiler available so a college student can grab it as easiliy as tools/compilers for other languages. And I only mean the compiler here the RAD IDE can stay as it is. I know the CE edition exists but the whole revenue restriction scares a lot of people and a lot of great/unique things about Delphi/FPC get overshadowed by just that one thing. I would even suggest (Embarcadero) so far as to just sponsor freepascal as an open unrestriced Delphi version and just standardize some base requirements, add sponser logos on main website and even that might help boost things.

Note: These are just my thoughts and things might be more complicated. But it's what I feel.

[gidesa]

If you search in the forum there was a discussion about Pascal projects ... you can see there. And go to the Embarcadero site, you'll see some of them. Others are under NDA and cannot be explicity exposed. But you can see the brands that work with Delphi.
A statistic means nothing since major part of works are not exposed (like mine).

I mean market share/sales statistics.
It's not so interesting a list of projects,  it's always short and limited.

[LeP]

I mean market share/sales statistics.
It's not so interesting a list of projects,  it's always short and limited.

Not only projects, I even talked about the brands that use Delphi (or Embarcadero Technologies). And those are not ghosts ...

I stop here, already OT too much