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[Fibonacci]

I don't need a test

Then there's no way to verify what's actually the bottleneck, or whether any fix works.

I'd hand you the instructions to reproduce it yourself, and you'd try to fix it your way.

[Marc]

I don't need a test

Then there's no way to verify what's actually the bottleneck, or whether any fix works.

I'd hand you the instructions to reproduce it yourself, and you'd try to fix it your way.

Yesterdays load:
Apache 2%
Fail2Ban 5%
MySQL 20%
PHP handling: the rest

As I said, I know where the bottleneck is.

[Fibonacci]

Fair enough, dropping it Just figured I'd chime in since I run a few sites myself.

One thing to keep in mind though - someone with a grudge (a banned user, or maybe someone annoyed there hasn't been a release in a while ) could take the forum offline for hours or days. Food for thought.

Cheers.

[Joanna]

Why is there no easy to access backup place endorsed by fpc developers to meet when website is down?

[Thaddy]

Joanna,

I offered a shadow a long time ago. That would suffer the same issues, though, within minutes.

Limited means available to Marc. Are you paying?

[Martin_fr]

Why is there no easy to access backup place endorsed by fpc developers to meet when website is down?

I though about ignoring this, since it has been answered more than once.

Because
1) it makes more sense to concentrate the manpower we have on the (several) existing places, and improve there availability, rather than splitting the man power.  (And that is meant in the most generic covering way, never mind what possible seemingly or allegedly lower-than-low cost something else would be, or what sort of involvement it might be => it would fall into the statement)

2) Any change involving "the team(s)" requires volunteering of those within that cover the "involvement". If such volunteering does not happen, then the rest is mood/void.

3) We have enough means of communication within the project. The project is about the software, not about any communication infrastructure.

Others are free to provide their own means (as forums in other languages do show). But, we do not get involved there. We do not "endorse" them, or anything like that. We do not have any involvement what happens there. And we do not deal with anyone's discontent of such happenings.

The only "involvement"  (if using that label) that we do have is, that if we by any means are concerned they may have a negative impact on us (note: criticism is NOT a negative impact) then we would remove them from our list. (but having them there is not saying we had any positive judgement).

[Joanna]

Oh good I can finally reach forum again…


This probably won’t change anything but…
There is a reason that you’re short on manpower, it’s because you dismiss well meaning people who want to help you and sometimes even unintentionally sabotage their efforts. Nobody wants to be unappreciated so eventually the people who could have helped you just give up and leave.

It was never possible for you to do everything yourself. There is this thing called division of labor. All the time you are forced to waste dealing with cyber attacks and other undesirable things is less time for you to be developing fpc and Lazarus. Isn’t there anyone you can trust after all these years to reduce the workload?

I’m not blaming you for rejecting unsolicited offers of help you could have also asked people in your community that you know well if they would like to help. There are probably many people here who would gladly help you if you would just ask. But yea I know that’s not your style. So the result is that things that are really important for people who want to use and improve fpc are disappearing/gone.

The fact is that things which this project needs to thrive are missing. It was once possible to instantly talk to other people who knew pascal and then that was gotten rid of and then it was post a message in forum and wait for someone to notice and hopefully help. Now it’s gotten to the point where the forum may or may not be available and if you do manage to connect and post a question, you might be treated to an encounter with a cranky old man who has nothing better to do than exercise his god given freedom of speech by blurting out the first negative thought that comes to mind with no concern of the consequences of his actions.

This problem with the forums being attacked is not going away any time soon.  If someone has a problem with their fpc project do you seriously think it’s reasonable to have to wait for days to access other people who might be able to help them? How about a week?

You have jettisoned the fpc users on (you know where ) because none of you could be bothered to defend your right to be there and inspire people to be part of your project. Retreating from a place that you had a right to be was really not a good tactic.
How do you feel about the people who use your software?Do you want to lose more people than you already have? Do they matter to you or do they just come and go?
I often wonder about this.

[LeP]

If someone has a problem with their fpc project do you seriously think it’s reasonable to have to wait for days to access other people who might be able to help them? How about a week?

@Joanna
this forum, the FPC and Lazarus projects are maintained by volunteers.
No one can or should be forced to respond in zero time, or even in 100 hours... or even to respond at all.
And no one can claim to post and request help and think it's their right to be provided, or that the forum is active 100% of the time.

That's why there are paid providers (like Embarcadero) that, with certain clauses, can cover any serious problem... but you have to pay them.
And in any case, they don't even cover your 10 requests per year.
Open source has its advantages (many) but also its disadvantages (many too).

When I rented VP servers, the provider reimbursed me (in the form of additional days) for downtime or malfunctions due to any network malfunction, including DDOS, but obviously I paid for the service.

[rvk]

That's why there are paid providers (like Embarcadero) that, with certain clauses, can cover any serious problem... but you have to pay them.

Hahaha  I remember that the community at Embarcadero was offline for months and months, only to eventually be scrapped altogether.
And their Quality Center wasn't any better (also 95% offline).

[JanRoza]

@Johanna Let's not make a drama out of this, 90-95% of the time the forum is up and performing well. If you drop a question I always get an answer from a number of forum users, sometimes the same day and sometimes after one or two days. People like rvk, martin and, marc do a great job.
And now we had a weekend without the forum, bad luck. This forum is still radiating positivity and enthusiasme for Pascal and Lazarus, let's hope it stays that way for years to come.

[LeP]

That's why there are paid providers (like Embarcadero) that, with certain clauses, can cover any serious problem... but you have to pay them.

Hahaha  I remember that the community at Embarcadero was offline for months and months, only to eventually be scrapped altogether.
And their Quality Center wasn't any better (also 95% offline).

I paid for support, not for QC or QP. I can write to them (like I made) and they solved my issue. Generic support like QC or QP is free for all.

And, at the time the they are down (cause Atalassian rework) I and who had a valid subsricption can write to them directly.
So totally different story ... but I think should be stop here the discussion about that.

[Joanna]

this forum, the FPC and Lazarus projects are maintained by volunteers.
No one can or should be forced to respond in zero time, or even in 100 hours... or even to respond at all.

Why can’t more people volunteer and help the developers overcome their shortage of manpower then? I’ve volunteered plenty of time when I could. What’s with the volunteering aversion? Do that few people care about the future of this project?

Sure nobody is obligated to answer questions or even use or develop fpc at all for that matter. Why bother to even have a presence on  the internet ? It would certainly be easier to just give up and let the people ddosing the forum with bots have their way. Right?

[marcov]

this forum, the FPC and Lazarus projects are maintained by volunteers.
No one can or should be forced to respond in zero time, or even in 100 hours... or even to respond at all.

Why can’t more people volunteer and help the developers overcome their shortage of manpower then? I’ve volunteered plenty of time when I could. What’s with the volunteering aversion? Do that few people care about the future of this project?

The large scale AI ddosing is a problem that hits many platforms currently . There are few outright solutions for this problem, not even cloudflare is fixes it 100%. Partial solutions all have downsides depending on forms of hosting, jurisdiction issues and being as open as possible.  Access to the actual servers is limited to a few persons only, that often have to be registered as contact to the hosters.

Sure nobody is obligated to answer questions or even use or develop fpc at all for that matter. Why bother to even have a presence on  the internet ? It would certainly be easier to just give up and let the people ddosing the forum with bots have their way. Right?

This is a forum to discuss Pascal, not your system administration preferences. Maybe try to be ontopic for one time.

[Martin_fr]

Moderated according to "forum rules"

[simone]

By me, this night the forum was still inacessible.

And now I can't use any link on the forum (login too): "Cookies error".

I had to go into my browser history to find the direct link to the login page, and now it seems to work.

I have the same problem, with the cookies page appearing, as happened in the past. To fix it, I have to manually deleting the PHPSESSIONID in the URL.

Just to report that the problem persists for me, across multiple browsers and different cookies settings, and I have to use the trick described to access the forum. I hope it's a temporary issue. Sincere thanks to who is working hard to resolve it.