[ANN] fpGUI Toolkit v2.0.0 has been released

[Graeme]

problems except functionality that's missing at all (like window positioning for which a few days ago the xx-zones protocol got merged).

Wait, what?? Wayland has been out for years and only now they get "window positioning" functionality?   

I honestly don't know what's going on with Linux these days. Everything must constantly be replaced - not improved - replaced! Then everybody needs to migrate. Wait for bugs to be fixed, while the forced-software-onto-us-is-crap. By the time it's stable, there is something new that MUST replace it.

I work a lot with sound and sound devices. Linux is absolute rubbish with it's low level drivers, multiple sound servers, terrible latency etc.
FreeBSD simply improved OSS (open sound system) and it just works [for years now]! Per-application volume, software mixing, virtual devices - the lot! None of this linux crap.

I'll stick to X11 and the x fork if I must. I tried Wayland multiple times. So many of my apps don't behave correctly, it's crashes way more often. Nah, not for me.

[Fred vS]

I honestly don't know what's going on with Linux these days. Everything must constantly be replaced - not improved - replaced!

Yes, it's strange; it's their new obsession: replacing everything that works.

For example, they're rewriting the kernel in Rust (and naturally, new bugs will appear). Does anyone know why Rust is better than C?

[valdir.marcos]

problems except functionality that's missing at all (like window positioning for which a few days ago the xx-zones protocol got merged).

Wait, what?? Wayland has been out for years and only now they get "window positioning" functionality?   

I honestly don't know what's going on with Linux these days. Everything must constantly be replaced - not improved - replaced! Then everybody needs to migrate. Wait for bugs to be fixed, while the forced-software-onto-us-is-crap. By the time it's stable, there is something new that MUST replace it.

I work a lot with sound and sound devices. Linux is absolute rubbish with it's low level drivers, multiple sound servers, terrible latency etc.
FreeBSD simply improved OSS (open sound system) and it just works [for years now]! Per-application volume, software mixing, virtual devices - the lot! None of this linux crap.

I'll stick to X11 and the x fork if I must. I tried Wayland multiple times. So many of my apps don't behave correctly, it's crashes way more often. Nah, not for me.

Linus Torvalds on why desktop Linux sucks [11:06]
gentooman
2.145.003 views  March 27, 2021
Linus highlights several pain points with regards to desktop Linux. From DebConf 14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzl1B7nB9Kc


Debian Conference 2014
The annual Debian developer meeting
Portland, Oregon, USA
August 23-31, 2014
https://debconf14.debconf.org/

[Graeme]

Wow, if the creator if Linux [Linus] says he doesn't create Linux binaries for his application, but rather for Windows and MacOS, there is something massively broken in Linux. 11+ years later, and nothing has changed.

And how has Apple changed underlying CPU types/architectures 3 times already, and migrating from each was seemless, and applications just kept on working. Go figure!

[sfeinst]

Wow, if the creator if Linux [Linus] says he doesn't create Linux binaries for his application, but rather for Windows and MacOS, there is something massively broken in Linux. 11+ years later, and nothing has changed.
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Guess it depends on how you look at it.  People install Windows or Mac (technically they probably buy a computer with it pre-installed, but the point being, the OS is installed).  Very very few people install Linux.  What most Linux users do is install a distribution.  Since most distributions have packages, they are taking the requirement of building binaries out of the hands of the developers and putting the work into the hands of the distribution and their package maintainers.  It's a different model.  You can argue one is a better model than the other and have a preference, but it is two different approaches to software installs.

Backward compatibility is a different topic.

[vfclists]

I honestly don't know what's going on with Linux these days. Everything must constantly be replaced - not improved - replaced!

Yes, it's strange; it's their new obsession: replacing everything that works.

For example, they're rewriting the kernel in Rust (and naturally, new bugs will appear). Does anyone know why Rust is better than C?

It frees critical Linux subsystems from the GPL licensing that C/C++ subsystems are based, or some pundits claim.

[marcov]

Wow, if the creator if Linux [Linus] says he doesn't create Linux binaries for his application, but rather for Windows and MacOS, there is something massively broken in Linux. 11+ years later, and nothing has changed.

It is sad that 30 years on, ancient distros were better equipped to long term run binaries (IBCS) than current ones.  In theory, there is flatpack, but how long old flatpacks run on current distros is not known either.

And how has Apple changed underlying CPU types/architectures 3 times already, and migrating from each was seemless, and applications just kept on working. Go figure!

5 transitions between 6 architectures if you count 32->64 bit changes  (m68k/ppc/ppc64/intel/intel64/arm).  I still have my 840AV that ran FPC 1.0.6 and 1.9.x binaries.

The emulation is quite nice, but also isn't forever. E.g. a friend couldn't run PPC starcraft anymore on an intel mac when it became OS X became 64-bit. The emulations mostly cover the initial switch period, and often also only if the vendors issue updates.

The Windows install still worked unmodified.

[PascalDragon]

problems except functionality that's missing at all (like window positioning for which a few days ago the xx-zones protocol got merged).

Wait, what?? Wayland has been out for years and only now they get "window positioning" functionality?   

To be more precise: the Wayland protocol repository got an experimental protocol. This does not even mean that a compositor will start to support it or when.