Grokipedia v0.1 and Free Pascal.

[Fred vS]

https://grokipedia.com/page/Free_Pascal

 

[Tingo]

OK, but what is that? Grok copied Wikipedia and "fact" checked?

[Thaddy]

Yes, it is an almost ad verbatim copy, but there is a list of sources.
And wikipedia is not mentioned, even the sources are copied.
Refers Gorki to Groki? or to the city?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Pascal

Not to mention the cooky policy...

I would be so ashamed I would remove the post, Fred.

[Tingo]

I don't think this will be a popular site.
Elon is a billionaire. There is 7 million pages on Wikipedia. He could pay real experts money to write articles and create an interesting alternative to Wikipedia.

[LeP]

And wikipedia is not mentioned, even the sources are copied.

Wikipedia is mentioned at the bottom of the page (and refers to the original article).

[marcov]

Yes, it is an almost ad verbatim copy, but there is a list of sources.

Which doesn't list me. And I wrote 70% of the wikipedia article from memory :-)

[marcov]

Hmm, on second glance, it is more 90%+ I think

[Fred vS]

I would be so ashamed I would remove the post, Fred.

This post is for informational purposes only, and it may be a little too late to delete it because of the replies (but I agree to delete it).

Which doesn't list me. And I wrote 70% of the wikipedia article from memory :-)

It is version v0.1, maybe they will add the original writers of wikipedia articles (and, imho, they should do it).

As for me, I must admit that I was pleasantly surprised by this:

Integrated development environments
Like most modern compilers, Free Pascal can be used with an integrated development environment (IDE).
...
 MSEide is a multi-platform IDE supporting Windows, Linux, and various BSD systems, with debugging capabilities.[16]

 ideU is a universal IDE for multiple platforms including Windows, Linux, and BSD, featuring voice assistance and debugging support.[17]

[Fred vS]

Hmm, on second glance, it is more 90%+ I think

I took the liberty of replying to Elon's post announcing the arrival of Gorkipedia with the following:

Hmm, since Gorkipedia is (heavily) inspired by Wikipedia articles, I think it would be fair to mention the original authors of the texts used in Wikipedia.

[Marc]

As for me, I must admit that I was pleasantly surprised by this:

Integrated development environments
Like most modern compilers, Free Pascal can be used with an integrated development environment (IDE).
...
 MSEide is a multi-platform IDE supporting Windows, Linux, and various BSD systems, with debugging capabilities.[16]

 ideU is a universal IDE for multiple platforms including Windows, Linux, and BSD, featuring voice assistance and debugging support.[17]

Weird thing is that those new sections have a link to the projects, while for the others the link is removed (and present in wikipedia)

[Fred vS]

As for me, I must admit that I was pleasantly surprised by this:

Integrated development environments
Like most modern compilers, Free Pascal can be used with an integrated development environment (IDE).
...
 MSEide is a multi-platform IDE supporting Windows, Linux, and various BSD systems, with debugging capabilities.[16]

 ideU is a universal IDE for multiple platforms including Windows, Linux, and BSD, featuring voice assistance and debugging support.[17]

Weird thing is that those new sections have a link to the projects, while for the others the link is removed (and present in wikipedia)

I completely agree with you.
But note that it is version v0.1 and it seems that they are taking into account the very numerous comments they receive (my post about the lack of information from the writers of the posts on Wikipedia was reposted to the developer team).
In any case, in my opinion, Wikipedia was becoming too biased.

[EDIT] I posted this:

When Gorkipedia add new sections after copying articles from Wikipedia, they insert a link to the added elements, while for the other, unchanged elements, all the links have been removed (even though they are present on Wikipedia).  It is sad and I hope it will be fixed.

[MarkMLl]

In any case, in my opinion, Wikipedia was becoming too biased.

Maybe: I'm certainly cautious about it albeit not as shrill as some. However the thing that bothers me is that at least in the current case Grokipedia admits that it has copied a body of text from Wikipedia, but neither specifies the /precise/ point at which it forked nor provides the rationale for alterations it has made when "fact checking".

As a benchmark, I suggest comparing Wikipedia's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#Personal_life with Grokipedia's https://grokipedia.com/page/Elon_Musk#personal-life : are they sufficiently close to both be true?

There's been various attempts at tackling Wikipedia's own evolution, notably IBM's project discussed and to some extent emulated at https://iphylo.blogspot.com/2009/09/visualising-edit-history-of-wikipedia.html . However I don't know how feasible it would be to parse a derivative that doesn't expose similar metadata and uses a substantially different format: I envisage that dumping to text and applying Heckel's algorithm might be a start but there's still the paramount question of the origin of "corrections" and- I have to say- the honesty of "fact checking".

MarkMLl

[dbannon]

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Maybe: I'm certainly cautious about it albeit not as shrill as some. However the thing that bothers me is that at least in the current case Grokipedia admits that it has copied a body of text from Wikipedia, but neither specifies the /precise/ point at which it forked nor provides the rationale for alterations it has made when "fact checking".

And as far as "fact checking" goes, grok is not exactly great. Lists mynotex as an example project. That has not had an update for eight years. As well as my tomboy-ng notes, there was another pascal Notes app, notetask recently mentioned and available on github for about 12 months. Sure there have been others more recent than mynotex too. Pretty easy fact checking.

As for Grokipedia itself, pretty clear that Elon just wants a version of wikipedia that he has complete control of. Its political, not technical.

Davo

[Fred vS]

And as far as "fact checking" goes, grok is not exactly great. Lists mynotex as an example project. That has not had an update for eight years. As well as my tomboy-ng notes, there was another pascal Notes app, notetask recently mentioned and available on github for about 12 months. Sure there have been others more recent than mynotex too. Pretty easy fact checking.

As for Grokipedia itself, pretty clear that Elon just wants a version of wikipedia that he has complete control of. Its political, not technical.

Hi Davo.

Okay, I don't want to defend Elon, but in one of his recent posts he notes that anyone who has comments about incorrect or missing information in Grokipedia should simply report it to Grok (his AI) and it will be taken into account.
And regarding the purpose of Grokipedia, of course it's political.

Fre;D

[MarkMLl]

Okay, I don't want to defend Elon, but in one of his recent posts he notes that anyone who has comments about incorrect or missing information in Grokipedia should simply report it to Grok (his AI) and it will be taken into account.

For which one presumably needs to enter into an agreement with X.

I have quite a lot of admiration for what SpaceX and Tesla have achieved, but quite frankly I wouldn't touch Twitter etc. with a bargepoll.

MarkMLl