Graphic Library

[bflm]

Your website is not very good when it comes to details. No download link, no code examples, no mention if it is open source or commercial, no price - if it is commercial, no license information.

The library looks interesting, but without the details above how to I get it?

More than a year later I can surprisingly repeat Graeme's post without a need to change a single word as the situation seems still well preserved today.

[leocda]

Maybe you are surprised because you didn't understand (or didn't read) the conversation after that post.

It's not a matter of time. I have never decided to release a product to developers.

In fact, I have been releasing free online tools to final users that were developed using Maccala and my other libraries.

Talking about my genuine object pascal CG libraries is a way to support and promote Free Pascal / Lazarus. My softwares are a direct proof of their power, because everything was developed using them from scratch.

I'm not telling my CG development environment will never ever be released, but it's not my goal, at least so far. I would feel more interested about that if I could meet some advanced CG developers able to implement complex algorithms I didn't have time to make yet.

[bflm]

Talking about my genuine object pascal CG libraries is a way to support and promote Free Pascal / Lazarus. My softwares are a direct proof of their power, because everything was developed using them from scratch.

And what's the point in a year long endless talking about some great zillion line code base when nobody can take a look at it? Why do I have to even think it's written by you using Free Pascal? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Is it a nasty way to generate traffic at your site? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

[leocda]

There are many free (not open source) softwares that make some spotlight about the programming softwares used to make them. Usually people make this because they really like the used tools. For most cases, you can really prove a software was made using a language only if you get the source in that language and compile it by yourself getting the same product.

If some people don't believe my code is in Object Pascal, it's a pity, but IMHO it's not a worthy reason to open my source.

About "taking advantage" of the situation, it's really absurd:

1) my site has a very good traffic, but, if my intention was to get more traffic from users using forum, I should worry about posting at dozens computer graphics forums with high traffic around the Internet. This site sends me less than 0.05% of my traffic, but I want and like to post here;

2) if my intention was to get maximum acknowledgement from developers, I should make my libraries in C/C++. All experienced, professional computer graphics developers I know believe C/C++ are THE programming tools for this kind of development because they are the fastest languages around the world, and in CG world these languages are a true standard. I'm the only exception, because I'm the only really professional CG developer I know who believes object pascal is good and fast enough to make professional CG libraries from scratch. Concerning my CG developer peers, using object pascal gave me only criticisms.

So, I don't see any problem about telling to my colleagues here, other object pascal lovers like me, the nice things I already was able to make from scratch using Free Pascal/Lazarus. I don't post very often, and I always post about it in the same thread, so I don't mess up the forum.

Anyway, I know this thread can bother some people and I'm really sorry about that. Since I don't offer code, I don't want to disturb people posting things in the "announcements" part for example. This thread is already kind of "apart" in this "Miscellaneous/Other" section and people who don't like this content can just don't get in here.

[bobc]

Well, I still don't understand what all this "looks like spamvertising but isn't really" stuff is about. I finally figured out it is a website offering free online graphics tools, so the language it is written in is pretty irrelevant.

[leocda]

Well, I still don't understand what all this "looks like spamvertising but isn't really" stuff is about. I finally figured out it is a website offering free online graphics tools, so the language it is written in is pretty irrelevant.

I don't have time to useless discussion.

I think I was supporting Free Pascal/Lazarus posting here. I was doing it because I really like them.

If most of you think it's spam, there is no problem. I will stop posting here. I was taking no advantage anyway.

Thanks to all people who were able to understand my point of view.

[bobc]

I don't have time to useless discussion.

LOL, then what are you doing on the internet

I think I was supporting Free Pascal/Lazarus posting here. I was doing it because I really like them.

Then why not proudly display a "Powered by Lazarus/FPC" logo on your website and have done with it. No time wasted.

[typo]

@leocda

You can add your project to the list of projects using Lazarus, http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Projects_using_Lazarus

[leocda]

@leocda

You can add your project to the list of projects using Lazarus, http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Projects_using_Lazarus

Can I really add my project to this page even if it is not open source so far? Apparently, for some people who use this forum, a software that is not open source is treated like garbage.

[typo]

Well, this is the Linux ideology and almost nothing can be done about it.

But as for me, if I can do a brush like the LiveBrush brush (the simple speed sensitive one), which is what I need now, I will use it.

[leocda]

Well, this is the Linux ideology and almost nothing can be done about it.

I know what you mean. In fact, I started using open source software just to support it: to show it's as good as the commercial one. When I changed to Free Pascal/Lazarus, I was using my good old Delphi 5 and it had everything I needed.

Anyway, I know most people who like to criticize free but not open source softwares like if they were useless or not important are just lazy programmers or people who like to put other's work down. Usually these people were never able to make and release a big professional open source (or even just free) software, and they were never regular contributors in important open source projects. They like to complain, but they never make something really worthy by themselves to make things different, and they make even less than the people they criticize. Personally, I think a free professional software is more worthy than a toy open source program.

Really skilled developers know how hard is to produce low level and/or advanced software, so they respect their peers. When I meet a developer spending thousands and thousands hours of his rest time to make a big professional free software, I know very well the sacrifice he is making, no matter if he is giving away his code or not. In the end, paid software is what pay the bills.

About the other question ... I guess the page you suggested above is just to open source projects. I will not touch it.

[Leledumbo]

Can I really add my project to this page even if it is not open source so far? Apparently, for some people who use this forum, a software that is not open source is treated like garbage.

There's no rule (or even a statement) that only open source projects should be listed there. As long as it's written in Lazarus / FPC, it has the right to be listed.

[felipemdc]

@leocda

You can add your project to the list of projects using Lazarus, http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Projects_using_Lazarus

Can I really add my project to this page even if it is not open source so far? Apparently, for some people who use this forum, a software that is not open source is treated like garbage.

I don't follow this argumentation. The forum is free for people to express their oppinions in a civilized way, what ever they are. People are free to criticise as long as this is done in the proper manner. There exists no such thing as "the community is criticizing the project". Each individual in the forum has his own ideas. Submitting work for public appreciation obviously leads to the possibility of receiving critiques.

The mentioned wiki page is indeed the appropriate place to list any project using Lazarus, and it would be great if you could list your project there.

thanks,

[typo]

And if you are Brazilian you can add your projet to the list of LazarusBrasil.Org, http://lazarusbrasil.org/

I have put a link to your blog on the index page.

[bobc]

Anyway, I know most people who like to criticize free but not open source softwares like if they were useless or not important are just lazy programmers or people who like to put other's work down. Usually these people were never able to make and release a big professional open source (or even just free) software, and they were never regular contributors in important open source projects. They like to complain, but they never

Yeah, we get the idea. You are a genius, martyr and hero all rolled into one. We are not worthy

Did it occur to you that part of the bad reaction may be due to your superior attitude? There will be many people here who have put a lot of time and effort into open/free projects, but they don't have to brag about it.