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Martin_fr

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Re: Lazarus 4 - I give up and return to 3
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2025, 11:08:24 pm »
wayland is a "replacement" for xserver => both the support system for the graphical window/gui system.

Follow the link in my post, and check your session. It should tell you which one you have.

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Re: Lazarus 4 - I give up and return to 3
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2025, 11:43:39 pm »
wayland is a "replacement" for xserver => both the support system for the graphical window/gui system.

Follow the link in my post, and check your session. It should tell you which one you have.

Hum, if I may, Cinnamon is a fork of Muffin Window Manager and the devs decided "by design" to not follow the rules of X11 atoms (and that may (surely) give problems) .
Voila, voila, I leave...
I use Lazarus 2.2.0 32/64 and FPC 3.2.2 32/64 on Debian 11 64 bit, Windows 10, Windows 7 32/64, Windows XP 32,  FreeBSD 64.
Widgetset: fpGUI, MSEgui, Win32, GTK2, Qt.

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Re: Lazarus 4 - I give up and return to 3
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2025, 10:45:07 am »
Martin, thank you for your offer. I did not understand in full. Case, it means, you log in at my computer: It does not allow it. All remote services are blocked.

Would it help if I upload the VM?
VMWare 17 is free for personal use. However, I would not recommend it to anybody to install it just for fun. You need to deactivate the Windows own VM-virtualization-interfaces. It goes deep into the system and in my case it is the question if it has not damaged anything there.

Another option would be not to take the VMWare Workstation Pro, but the VMPlayer, which does nothing but to start VMs. The difference is, that you cannot generate new VMs with it. It was free all the time. Maybe this is not that heavy. I did not test it.

Downloading is tricky. Theoretically, you get it very easily from Broadcom. Practically I read "no data here" and I got "online support" for an hour or more, by 2 clerks (probably from India) who assured me, that there are data. I got it from Chip or so finally. It is the same version. Not hard to find. I did not keep the link as it was easy.

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Re: Lazarus 4 - I give up and return to 3
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2025, 01:29:16 pm »
Martin, thank you for your offer. I did not understand in full. Case, it means, you log in at my computer: It does not allow it. All remote services are blocked.

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/202891/how-to-know-whether-wayland-or-x11-is-being-used

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Obtain the session ID to pass in by issuing:

loginctl

You open a terminal, type that in, and get some output.

Then with the results of that output you run the 2nd command (in the terminal) as described on the linked page.
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In that example, c2 is the session ID.

Then:

loginctl show-session <SESSION_ID> -p Type

Obviously you need to replace "c2"

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Re: Lazarus 4 - I give up and return to 3
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2025, 04:01:40 pm »
I tried to follow, but there are just popping up too many windows, asking me for privileges not being granted.

Not sure, why a read request needs 2 kinds of cookies. After allowing them, I am asked to sign in by Google. I do not have a Google account. I was tired of waiting in vain for their login-mails, so I stopped the topic Google.

If anybody wants my VM as a whole, I will prepare it. But please do not expect me to interact for hours with things, I do not understand. I am not able to learn all this instead of working on.


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Re: Lazarus 4 - I give up and return to 3
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2025, 11:58:27 am »
It is not Lazarus 4 as such, which causes the problem.
I installed Lazarus 4 in my Win 7 VM and the code seems to work as usual.

Thank you for the new design!
The tab with the form was from Delphi, I missed it.

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Re: Lazarus 4 - I give up and return to 3
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2025, 04:00:00 pm »
After days of attempting to give my project a new start with Lazarus 4, - I give it a tear and return to Lazarus 3. I loved so many things in Lazarus 4.
The docked IDE works pretty much the same in Lazarus 3.6, you just need to install AnchorDocking and AnchorDockingDsgn packages.

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Re: Lazarus 4 - I give up and return to 3
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2025, 08:43:21 pm »
Both of them I tried long ago. After some attempts I managed to lock me out from my own software and could not open the windows again. I uninstalled them both and never came back.

Really nice was the Delphi-IDE from Embarcadero. This was the only thing I was sorry to have left behind when I changed to Lazarus.
The new style took the Layout from them.  :D :D


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Re: Lazarus 4 - I give up and return to 3
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2025, 02:33:09 pm »
Nicole, many people use the docked IDE without problems. It doesn't have big changes compared to Lazarus 3.x.
Mostly Lazarus trunk and FPC 3.2 on Manjaro Linux 64-bit.

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Re: Lazarus 4 - I give up and return to 3
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2025, 09:56:17 pm »
I use the new tiled layout of Laz 4 and do not need those helpers any more.

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Re: Lazarus 4 - I give up and return to 3
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2025, 10:23:23 pm »
The docked IDE works pretty much the same in Lazarus 3.6, you just need to install AnchorDocking and AnchorDockingDsgn packages.

I use the new tiled layout of Laz 4 and do not need those helpers any more.

The "tiled layout" in Lazarus 4 is exactly those 2 packages. Only now they are pre-installed. (And have an on/off switch in the options / and some small bug fixes).

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Re: Lazarus 4 - I give up and return to 3
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2025, 10:21:31 am »
 ;) ;D :D
The bug fixes make the difference.

 

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