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Martin_fr

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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2025, 04:04:51 pm »
Manpower issues is just a nice way of saying that we have lost a lot of people since 2014 and we are unable to provide what was once routine and normal for foss communities.

No it is not. Just the available manpower is now otherwise bound (if actually ever it was where you say).

This may either be fluctuation. People come and go for many reasons. But for those gone others came, so that is normal.
Or it may be that a person moved their area of interest. Also happens everywhere.

Also what the hell to you define as "official support"?
There are no dedicated support workers of any kind. And never have been.

Support has always been voluntary. And for the most part by members of the community, rather than by those from the "teams". Simple because the amount of people in the community is magnitudes bigger than the size of the teams.
And that has worked well in the past, and for all I can say still works well.
But it has, does, and always will mean, that those asking for support will have to do it in the way that those providing it have chosen.

And that is the way (afaik) that it is in any FOSS project (with the exceptions of those having commercial backing).


Maybe the community has changed. Well most likely. Everything changes over time.

And as for the "real time": Chat and Forum are both as able to be real-time as the other.
If someone wanted to answer to forum message immediately, they can use email notify or other means to be aware of incoming posts. And all else is a matter of how quick they can type. But typing into the forum is not slower than the same in a chat.

But in both instances, its down to people having time to stare at their screen waiting for something to respond too. If people have better to do... Well then you get chats were people may be logged in, but take 5, 10 or 15 minutes before they reply.



But anyway. Point is, that is in no way a consequence of what the project itself does.

The project does not (nor ever has) dictated to the community how the community should or may interact.

The project may supply this forum, but that is one out of a great many forums for the project. The majority of the means to interact comes from the community.
And again, that has been this very way for a long long time.

So this is what the community does for the project and maybe today it can do more by the means it uses today.

Chat may (or may not / I have no data) once been more popular.... Well so have light themes for the IDE once been more popular (when CRT screens had just gone), and floating windows too (instead of docked). But those things change.

That change does not mean that the quantity or quality of the community decreases. Not at all.

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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2025, 04:09:40 pm »
Real-time support was NOT a dream it was really helpful and more people were there than are ever logged in here.
"Realtime" is a matter of definition. Many (most) times when I've wanted to answer someone's question on this forum, I find that someone has already done it, and many times - better than me. So the benefit of chat platforms in this case is greatly overestimated.
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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2025, 04:15:11 pm »
Hello,

If i look to https://www.freepascal.org/ i can't find a information since what time the page is online.
The same on https://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?action=forum.

How old is Freepascal? How old is Pascal?

This information show newcommers that there is an many experience in this language and it is a simple way,

On https://github.com/  are 1100 entries about Freepascal,
Lazarus 3900, Delphi 20600 , Pascal 20700.

I think there is an great base of code, but nobody knows.

Sorry, for my bad english.
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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2025, 04:25:51 pm »
As for the forum, the closest to an answer, the first post it (still?) has: https://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,2

As for Lazarus, there is history on the wiki https://wiki.freepascal.org/History

Not sure how that would best be represented. Not sure how prominent that needs to be made...

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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2025, 05:07:51 pm »
@Joanna
Can you just stop whining about the IRC?
There is a FPC discord channel where people are having a really great time. Please don't go there.
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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2025, 05:42:42 pm »
IRC fits FPC perfectly - it too is old and ugly >:D No way Im using IRC.

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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2025, 06:27:14 pm »
@Fibonacci
Please, don't feed. It is a same over and over, a repellent...
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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2025, 06:41:44 pm »
FPC's rough old history is in the first FAQ item on the website:

https://www.freepascal.org/faq.html#WhatIsFP

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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2025, 07:23:44 pm »
Wow fpc was started back when pascal was at the peak of popularity. I didn’t know that..

Does this sarcastic answer helps anyone?  >:(
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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2025, 10:12:10 am »
I’m not being sarcastic!  I was impressed  :o
You talk a lot about Pascal and you have 1400+ posts on this forum, but you don't know the basic history?
It's only logical.

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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2025, 09:13:30 pm »
When I first discovered Lazarus in 2014 there was a link from forums that led to real-time support with real fpc and Lazarus developers and enthusiasts talking about interesting things everyday. Now I’m supposed to believe that  it’s just a made up Fantasy that never happened at all. I’m supposed to not care that such a valuable resource was abandoned?

But even then it wasn't a dedicated support. It simply happened to be users that used IRC, because they considered it as comfortable enough. Nowadays they/us simply have no interest anymore to lurk in something like that. You can't force anybody to do anything they don't want.

I didn’t know I was supposed to. Nobody ever talked to me about it before..

There is no “supposed to”, but you could have been curious about it before this and researched it yourself.

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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2025, 09:42:39 pm »
Nowadays they/us simply have no interest anymore to lurk in something like that. You can't force anybody to do anything they don't want.
Let us set the record straight there.

The no interest part is only due to the behaviour of one single person. Guess who that is and is now whining for more than 3 years about that here on the forums (while repeatedly told not to do so) about the results of that behaviour.

That same behaviour is being attempted to copy-paste here on the forums on several occasions.

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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2025, 09:55:49 pm »
The no interest part is only due to the behaviour of one single person. Guess who that is and is now whining for more than 3 years about that here on the forums (while repeatedly told not to do so) about the results of that behaviour.

Well, at least the FPC devs had left before that time, because there wasn't really much interest anymore.

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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2025, 10:03:41 pm »
Well, at least the FPC devs had left before that time, because there wasn't really much interest anymore.
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Re: Practical Ways to Help Lazarus and Free Pascal Thrive?
« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2025, 03:49:55 am »

Evidently Joanna has found a way to peddle IRC without using the word "IRC" instead it's all about "real time support"...

It's been working for several pages now but, I have a feeling this synonym has a limited lifetime. <chuckle>
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