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duralast

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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #225 on: May 14, 2025, 04:13:20 pm »
How does a topic on how to make a programming language more popular end up with a discussion on ovaries?

Apparently, the way to attract users of the language is to diverge from topics in a forum for said language to biology or whatever else happens to be of interest. This is the spark that was needed.

Stack Overflow would have shut down this long before it got to pregnancy and ovaries.

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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #226 on: May 14, 2025, 04:19:56 pm »
I fully agree with duralast.
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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #227 on: May 14, 2025, 04:42:35 pm »
At least there are still people here to talk. You should be thankful for that.  8)
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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #228 on: May 14, 2025, 05:06:42 pm »
How does a topic on how to make a programming language more popular end up with a discussion on ovaries?

Apparently, the way to attract users of the language is to diverge from topics in a forum for said language to biology or whatever else happens to be of interest. This is the spark that was needed.

Stack Overflow would have shut down this long before it got to pregnancy and ovaries.

 :D :D :D You hit the nail on the head. Let's go back to Lazarus/FPC please.  :D
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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #229 on: May 14, 2025, 06:04:36 pm »
Apparently, the way to attract users of the language is to diverge from topics in a forum for said language to biology or whatever else happens to be of interest. This is the spark that was needed.

My little daughter asks me why I am so cheerful. I answer that I read posts on the Pascal programming language forum. She then says she also wants to learn such a cheerful programming language.  :D


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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #230 on: May 14, 2025, 06:41:15 pm »
Every time I see a question about why this or that language (or this or that technology) isn't more popular, a related but different question pops into my head:
- Do people create new technologies (or programming languages) as a means to progress along by establishing a new or better solution to an existing problem? Or, do people create new technologies simply for the sake of creating new technologies?  Or, do people create new technologies in hopes of being the ones to drive the market and, thereby, become rich and famous by doing so - and in the process have to create a non-existent problem to fit the new solution so that gullible people will buy it?
 
Everyone wants to be the next Albert Einstein... while completely forgetting that Einstein basically pilfered numerous other people's work without giving them credit (borderline plagiarism) and had to enlist both his former college roommate and his wife to do most of his math for him. Hence, numerous people become the "face" of technologies, gaining celebrity and wealth, while other people do the actual work.
- Steve Jobs became rich and famous off the back of Steve Wozniak.
- Bill Gates became rich and famous off the back of Paul Allen.
- Thomas Edison became rich and famous off the backs of Nikola Tesla, Louis Lumiere, Joseph Swan and numerous others.
- Elon Musk became rich and famous off the backs of... everyone but himself.
 
My seemingly useless tangent is for making a point: when you ask a question like why isn't a particular programming language or environment as popular as others, the only factual answer one can give is that it always boils down to an amalgamation of numerous factors, as no single factor can ever really answer the question.
 
1.) People create new useless junk for the sake of create new useless technologies and the hoards of sheepish consumers jump on the bandwagon for no apparent reason.
2.) People create new technologies for the genuine purpose of being either the 1st or a better solution to an existing problem, and the hoards of sheepish consumers jump on the bandwagon for no apparent reason or because they find it useful.
3.) People tend to work long hours and spend their time only learning/using the technologies they will mostly likely require for getting a paycheck (this is a big one).
4.) Numerous people tend to be tribal fanboys and bandwagon hoppers. I have no use whatsoever for C#, yet its fanboys kept telling me for years that I was stupid for not switching to it. Humorously, a very large portion of those former C# fanboys are now Python fanboys - yet again thinking life is a popularity contest and coercing me to join their high school clique by switching over to Python because it is the current "it" language.
5.) Numerous other reasons but too little space to write and short attention spans of the readers makes me limit them.

So... rather than EVER asking why isn't this language more popular, you should always simply ask:
What language best suits my particular needs and what language do I feel most suited to/comfortable with? Because in reality, the opinions of all of those "high school mentality fanboys" has no real-life bearing on what you need in life to do your thing. It has been my experience in life that those who actually know the least about the internal workings of computers will assert that this language or that IDE is the "end all - be all of..." of software development whereas those who do know how computers genuinely work inside will avoid suggesting a particular software or language and, instead, remind you that each is but a tool meant to achieve a purpose and that, just as the Samurai will have his Katana custom-made for him, you must try on and choose which software/language best serves your goals and with which your soul feels most comfortable. Unless, of course, you are just a coding zombie who only wants to learn what ever language is hot on the market and is most likely to keep the paychecks rolling in.

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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #231 on: May 14, 2025, 07:02:02 pm »
Nice post , I never knew the details about Einstein.
I think in general that most people believe in the myth of progress. Everything new is by definition better than what existed in the past. However this only goes so far before things become worse than they were in the past. They reach their zenith and then they start to decline.
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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #232 on: May 14, 2025, 07:11:04 pm »
Carefully read the topic of this thread and the comments here, then compare it with this https://julialang.org/blog/2022/02/10years/.
Do you notice the difference?  :)

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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #233 on: May 14, 2025, 07:19:56 pm »
At least there are still people here to talk. You should be thankful for that.  8)

I am, that is the power of this forum, as long as we try to stay on topic. This forum is a real treasure chest of pascal knowledge, either by reading old topics or talking to someone to solve a problem or question.
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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #234 on: May 14, 2025, 07:38:37 pm »
Looks like some people have difficulty giving due credit.

Issac Newton said that if he had seen farther it was because he stood on the shoulders of giants.

Einstein was only average when it came to Math but, was rather above average in other areas, particularly physics in spite of what some people may say or believe.  He got helped with the Math particularly for the complex tensor Math needed for General Relativity, he made no secret of that.

If Bill Gates got rich off the back of someone, the main one would be Tim Paterson who wrote 86dos which Gates purchased for a very modest sum from him.  Another thing that helped Gates was that Gary Kildall grossly underestimated the opportunity IBM offered him.  If memory serves, it was Murray Sargent who showed Gates how to use the i386 protected mode in Windows (we all know what a difference that made.)

Thomas Edison got stuck on direct current which is not practical for widespread distribution but, that he wasn't always right is no reason to diminish his accomplishments.  For the record, while Tesla worked for a short time for Edison, Edison greatly underestimated Tesla' and AC's potential which are the main reasons why Tesla went on his own.  Tesla got no support for any of his projects from Edison, on the contrary, Edison, for some reason was completely unable to see AC's potential.  Edison was a very vocal proponent of the electric chair, which he saw as a way to discredit Tesla's AC.

The other two... it's close enough.

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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #235 on: May 14, 2025, 07:56:32 pm »
At least there are still people here to talk. You should be thankful for that.  8)

I am, that is the power of this forum, as long as we try to stay on topic. This forum is a real treasure chest of pascal knowledge, either by reading old topics or talking to someone to solve a problem or question.
Maybe this forum needs an off topic chat section for off topic chat to happen. That would give people who want to chat about random things a place to go. Many foss projects have that for people who want to chat about random things with other community members.
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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #236 on: May 14, 2025, 08:02:54 pm »
At least there are still people here to talk. You should be thankful for that.  8)

I am, that is the power of this forum, as long as we try to stay on topic. This forum is a real treasure chest of pascal knowledge, either by reading old topics or talking to someone to solve a problem or question.
Maybe this forum needs an off topic chat section for off topic chat to happen. That would give people who want to chat about random things a place to go. Many foss projects have that for people who want to chat about random things with other community members.

I disagree, that is not what this forum is for. For cosy chats about things that have nothing to do with Pascal or Lazarus you have to visit some other forum or create a forum yoursef.
I would like people in this forum to stay on topic.
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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #237 on: May 14, 2025, 08:04:37 pm »
Maybe they don’t always want to ?  :D
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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #238 on: May 15, 2025, 01:21:36 am »
There is no place for any kind of faith in exact sciences, natural sciences, or technical fields. Only knowledge in terms of causes and effects matters. Either it is known how something works or it does not. And if you have doubts whether evolution works (and whether it is true), there are books and biologists who will explain it to you.
I already gave you an example about the strong doubts about the Big Bang in connection with some new data in cosmology. But a lot of people still believe it.
In the Middle Ages, people believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth.
You believe in some "blind evolution" even though many facts say it doesn't work that way. Random mutations do not produce new species. Mutations cannot explain the appearance of fundamentally new organs (such as eyes, for example).
Random mutations sometimes only slightly help in the adaptation of already established species, but no significant jump was recorded. But it is much more common for mutations to lead to death (cancer, for example).
Transitional forms have not yet been found. Experiments on the self-generation of life have failed. Even the probability of self-generation of an organism (the most primitive bacterium) with the programmed possibility of stable reproduction (self-copying) is purely mathematically so small as to be practically impossible.

We obviously don't understand something. But if you still belive in "blind evolution". Then it is your personal faith. And I have no against about your faith.
I respect your right to believe in something. But I prefer to be agnostic on this and many other such questions.

By the way, I suggest you watch the 9th episode of the 6th season of the "Futurama" animated TV-series - "A Clockwork Origin".
There this topic was dealt with in a very good humor.
:)

And let's finish this offtopic.
We will not help to pull Pascal out of the pit with this.

(I'm not going to respond any further on this topic.)

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Re: Why isn't Lazarus / Free Pascal more popular?
« Reply #239 on: May 15, 2025, 02:18:52 am »
And anyway, you could solve this by implementing decent childcare and a living wage for graduate students (for single or both partners regardless of sex) right now for a lot less than all the futuristic nonsense.
Good wish.
But who will do the childcare in your scheme while the woman is studying and building a career from dawn to dusk? 
There are kindergartens and schools already now. But somehow that doesn't help Europeans breed more.
And while European women spend time on studies, careers and work, the European space is quickly becoming crowded with Central Asians, where women are often not so ambitious in their studies and careers and usually stay at home, give birth and bring up many children.
During my many years in Denmark, I have also heard from visitors  that in a couple of generations there will be no native Danes left, simply because they do not have time to give birth to more than one or two children.

Alexander's died of illness, Jesus Christ was not a natural death, moreover both are not related to hunter-gather societies.
I was just referring to how much these people had already accomplished by the age of 30 in their lives and what mark they had left as fully grown and very wise (in Christ's case).
And it's pretty obvious that they spent most of that time not at school or university :)
And in the time of Alexander the Great people also rarely lived more than 40 years either. Wars, famine, disease, epidemics, etc.

The current university graduates I see at ~25-30 years old more often talk and think about many things like children (infantilism is a problem of today's european society).

"designed"? You mean evolved?
As you wish (but it is by your own faith;)

Raising the average age way above 80 will be hard and require technology that is the realm of SF due to the brain cells not replicating. Any claims about it should be considered with extreme scepticism.
This is why I personally believe that humanity is more likely to go down the path of cybernizing its own mind and body.
Moreover, we are already seeing the first experiments with reading information (so far, motor) from the brain. It is quite possible that soon we will see experiments on embedding information into the brain.
We will see.
But if interfaces for brain implants are written again in C++ or Java, we with our Pascal again risk being left behind. (Just kidding  :D)

(But let's finish this off-topic. Do you agree?)
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