Website renovation

[Wilrakov]

Again Joanna, I'm a Pascal programmer. You insist on thinking otherwise, and I don't really understand the reason behind it. Finally, you complained about the hate you receive, but don't you think that you distribute this same hate? It's true, no one is going to join such a toxic community, especially if this person is told that they are incapable of coding in Pascal. Face the facts: no one would bother going to this forum without knowledge of Pascal. This forum is in a corner of the internet, a lost corner that almost no one knows about, no one is going to try to play a joke on you. If you don't believe in my programming skills, too bad for you. This community is toxic to you, Joanna, and you are toxic to them.

[440bx]

I didn’t know that there were “standards “ that had to be adhered to avoid being ridiculed when asking for help.
There is nothing wrong with my coding style, there is something wrong with toxic people who feel the need to be rude and disrespectful.

Therein lies the problem.

The fact that someone states they don't like the look of uppercased Pascal, you take that as a personal insult and being ridiculed and the person being rude and disrespectful.  The fact is: _none_ of those things apply.

Personally, I find uppercased Pascal downright ugly and, it looks like, I'm not the only one.  That's not an insult to you, it's a simple fact and, to be blunt, I could not careless about your coding style.  There is no reason why I should but, I still think uppercased Pascal looks ugly (actually, worse than ugly, downright horrible.)

You take general comments personally.  It isn't about you. 

As an example, I have expressed genuinely harsh criticism about the use of "then begin", "do begin" and generally "<keyword> begin", i.e, "begin" not on its own line, because it literally violates the syntactic structure of the language.  That's not only my opinion, it's also a a fact and I stand by it in spite of the fact it is a very common practice among Pascal programmers.  The point ? ... simple: no one here is feeling insulted or ridiculed and making a big deal out of it. 

I'll make two suggestions to you:

1. Don't take things so personally. 
2. Give new forum members the benefit of the doubt.  IMO, you seem to conclude they are up to no good a bit too quickly.

[440bx]

The fact that you go out of your way to go into a thread that had nothing to fo with coding style only for the purpose of insulting me is a problem.

What are you talking about ???

[dbannon]

.... there is something wrong with toxic people who feel the need to be rude and disrespectful.

But Joanna, are you sure you cannot see it ?  These toxic exchanges are most always started by you ?  You launch an attack, totally unprovoked, on someone you think is a "Pascal Pretender". Most observers assume its because you enjoy the toxicity, is that not the case ? (That is a genuine question.)

Who would want to join a toxic community for an unpopular language?

Exactly, you attack, accuse, insult new people here. Why ?  Do you feel threaten by new people ? Are you worried about being marginalized as more people join ?  We need new people ...

Their main objective is to start flame wars which once again has been successful.

No, it appears your main objective is to start a flame war. Its you Joanna who trigger just about all the toxicity. Again, I ask why ?

If you don't like a particular topic or even a particular person, just ignore that thread. Thats all you have to do, ignore it.

For the record, here, in this thread discussing changes to the FPC website where some people offered constructive criticism you said -

• I like the website the way it is. What gives random people who don’t use pascal the right to demand that the website be changed.
• .....I seriously doubt that he knows any pascal at all,...
• ..... All sorts of non pascal users know about this forum and send their bots to scrape it at the expense of people who use pascal.....
• ..... i think that the only people who still use this forum are people who don’t mind flame wars. All the sensitive people are gone which is unfortunate.

Come on Joanna, the world is not divided into those who are Pascal experts and those who are not. We see here some who are starting out, the fact that they join here is a positive sign. That some survive your attacks is amazing. Joanna, please, if you don't like whats in a thread, don't respond, its easy. I normally do that as soon as you get worked up but honestly, got sick of it here,now, and decided to respond. Hopefully, you can see my arguments, ignore the ones you hate and be a happier person.

Your behavior does not just affect new people, it makes everyone feel uncomfortable. Please consider.

Davo 

[Handoko]

I’ve never seen a 14 year old interested in pascal ...

The youngest I ever know is 12. I know it because I helped him in the forum then later he personally contacted me. He told me there was a school lesson about Pascal programming and he performed well, so the came to the forum to learn more.

I understand that the the reality of “pascal pretenders” coming here

If you think someone is suspicious, just report to moderators. You may have good intention but the way do you is bad, it does more harm than good. I ever publicly accusing someone, but later proved that I was wrong. I felt ashamed. Not only once but twice, I apologized but he didn't accept. You can dig my very old posts, if you want. Lesson learned. Now, I don't want to judge someone's intention, I will reply to their posts as long as they are valid programming questions.

Please do not repeat my mistakes. If anyone found something suspicious, report to moderators.

[Scoops]

Hi, I come here because I like reading about pascal, which is the main content of the site, the underlying software is simple machines forum SMF which uses PHP, This doesnt change the contained content and i dont even think about the software used to host the site, Everyone has different tastes and some like dark themes etc, I dont care , but having a choice can effect if a user comes back or not. Someone proposing a change to the forum, may not achieve anything, as other people already decide the layout, but he is showing interrest in programming and and has produced a layout which most of us couldnt achieve because programming forum software is not our aim.

[Fibonacci]

Joanna's doing a great job at community building, just not in the way she thinks.

Look at us, united, fighting side by side for a good cause! Funny how a common "enemy" can bring people together like nothing else. Lol


But seriously, just kidding. Joanna, if you see someone being toxic, just dont reply. Or if you really have to, skip that one post, or throw in a short sarcastic jab and move on - fight "them" (if they even exist) with their own weapon.

Go ahead, ask questions. Just maybe consider tweaking your coding style. Help us help you. More readable code = faster and better answers.

This is the last time I comment on Joanna as a person. Any future replies will be limited to helping with Pascal-related questions. It was fun, but Im out.

[marcov]

Can we get back to the normal discussion please?

[Wilrakov]

Well, basically, I just wanted to update the Free Pascal website. In the end, I unintentionally created hatred and set people against each other. I think it's still a useful discussion to clear up your differences, but we're getting further and further away from each other. Pascal users are dwindling in number, and what's more, we're arguing among ourselves. How can we evolve to bring this language to the top? Pascal deserves its place on the same level as C or Rust. However, over time, it's lost its way, and young new programmers aren't really discovering it anymore.

Joanna, I know you doubt that I'm interested in Pascal at 14. I learned to program in Python at 10, and my father was very interested in computers when he was younger. I read an old book that taught me how to use Turbo Pascal, and I created my first Pascal programs around the age of 12. This language is clearly one of my favorites. And yet, yes, I haven't coded a lot with it; I've only done one real project with it: a video game in the terminal. Then I moved on to something else, it's true. But it stayed in my heart, and I regretted giving it up when I learned languages ​​in the same category as Pascal, like C. I personally use several programming languages ​​because I'm young and I think it'll make it easier for me to find work as an adult. But when I want to do systems programming or when I want to create an application in the terminal, I systematically turn to Pascal for its syntax and simplicity.

I don't have the skills to directly help develop tools like FPC, but if I can help the community with something, I will. And I thought renovating the website was a good idea to help modernize the language a little. I may have been wrong, and if so, you have my sincere apologies.

I think if Pascal isn't as popular as it was at a certain time, which I didn't even know about, it's because there's nothing to support the language. I mean, C, for example, is supported by Linux and operating system development. But Pascal doesn't seem to have a very specific domain. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there's anything it excels in, except algorithms. You might say it's a general-purpose language, but then, all languages ​​are general-purpose in this case. I'm thinking about an area that would be interesting to develop so that Pascal could become truly useful. Perhaps web development would be where it could excel, by creating the right libraries and tools.

I hope to hear your feedback, without any hatred. We need to work together to bring this language to light. I feel like I'm giving orders, and that's not what I want to do. I apologize if this message offends anyone on this forum in any way; that's absolutely not the message I want to convey.

Wilrakov --- https://wilrakov.vercel.app(Javascript required).

[Wilrakov]

Joanna, I assure you that I love Pascal. Besides, if you've read my posts, you know that I'm currently working on a library to create beautiful interfaces in the terminal, directly in Pascal. I know that everything has changed since Turbo Pascal, I realized it quite quickly when I wanted to put into practice what I was learning. But yes, I'm not a genius programmer in Pascal, I admit it. It's not the language I've used the most. Your argument about the fact that if I were really interested in Pascal, I would have already asked for help on this forum is rather well found, but I can justify myself on that too. To tell the truth, I was on the Free Pascal site for the first time when I started this thread, because to install FPC, I used APT on Linux. When I have a problem, I often ask the AI. I know it's wrong, but hey, that's how I've always done it. Won't you give me just a little bit of a chance, considering I'm coding in Pascal? I understand your concerns, but you're mistaken about me, I can promise you that. I'll release my library, and then maybe you'll believe me...

[Martin_fr]

Well, basically, I just wanted to update the Free Pascal website. In the end, I unintentionally created hatred and set people against each other.

Don't worry. Some discussions come up over and over again. That has nothing to do with your topic, your work, or any of it.

If any of your post (or related work) are ever outside of the scope of this forum, then an official forum moderator or admin will contacts you. And (unless you sell fake passports...), it will be most likely be a friendly explanation what is and what is not ok.

Otherwise, any Pascal related topic (including non coding topics / infrastructure / media / publicity / ... ), and even many general Programming related topics are welcome on this forum.
 (And I am stating this in my function as one of the forum Admins)

[Martin_fr]

And to add to my previous post:

No one has to defend their interest in Pascal.

Technically, it is not even a requirement. E.g. a person with no interest in Pascal of their own, can still post Pascal related information here, if it may be of interest to others.


Also, I am (both personally and as Admin) sure that those involved in this thread, have a full interest in Pascal.

[Wilrakov]

Wilrakov thats a lot of excuses and very little pascal discussion.
Are you not interested in pascal discussion? 
It looks like you’re advertising AI? maybe the people who create AI Need a new website 

Joanna, you seem to keep trying to provoke me, for no reason at all. Yes, I apologize because I thought it was a good thing, but since you hold absolutely all human knowledge, you could surely explain to me how to live and how to react  .

[cdbc]

Hehehe, Good on you Wilrakov 

Look at that, Joanna -- You're not the only one with teeth 

Love your response Wilrakov 
Regards Benny

[Martin_fr]

ADMIN NOTE:
Everyone, please, discontinue the personal "who is right about what" ....