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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2025, 11:41:19 am »
I think this legislation would only affect websites of people whose governments obey the british government. There are probably many governments that don’t. Those would probably be a good place to host websites.

I agree with khrys the legislation seems ridiculous and hard to enforce being that the problem of malicious and fake websites is yet to be solved. The enforcement should be at their domestic  isps , they cannot police every website on the internet.  8)
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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2025, 12:05:32 pm »
A bit like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_pi_bill perhaps ?

"A Bill for an act introducing a new mathematical truth..." the argument being that by redefining the value of Pi, certain calculations would be made a lot easier.

Or, in my own country, an Act to prevent children using a number of particularly harmful social media apps. A great idea but totally unenforceable ?

I suspect the British Act is targeting the same, major social media apps. And they almost certainly do have offices in the UK.

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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2025, 12:29:22 pm »
I suspect the British Act is targeting the same, major social media apps. And they almost certainly do have offices in the UK.

Or deal with banks that have a presence in the UK. I'd point out that the forum has a panel soliciting donations, another advertising books and so on.

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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2025, 01:14:14 pm »
Bring back the sausage, the great English sausage, the bangers that contain no meat!
I am still rather baffled by the English, even if I visit them more than Belgium or Germany.
Welsh, Irish and Scotts are OK, of course. This is just a 67 years old observation.
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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2025, 03:53:43 pm »
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Or, in my own country, an Act to prevent children using a number of particularly harmful social media apps. A great idea but totally unenforceable ?
I know it’s a strange question but isn’t it the job of parents and family members to protect children from bad things? Why are they not?  :o

The law was not meant to be enforceable, its a pretext... who can say no to the “its for saving the children” narrative..
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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #50 on: January 23, 2025, 04:09:03 pm »
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Or, in my own country, an Act to prevent children using a number of particularly harmful social media apps. A great idea but totally unenforceable ?
I know it’s a strange question but isn’t it the job of parents and family members to protect children from bad things? Why are they not?  :o

The law was not meant to be enforceable, its a pretext... who can say no to the “its for saving the children” narrative..

Frankly, I agree. But again: if it's the parents' responsibility there has to be somebody prepared to enforce that if necessary, and that's the government of the local jurisdiction.

So if necessary, the government has to say "we are not allowing you to offload your responsibilities onto some Android or Windows filtering app, because we have not received adequate assurance from its maintainers that they're doing their job properly".

Which is actually fairly close to what they're doing requiring forum operators to have a management procedure documented /before/ offering a service.

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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2025, 07:36:52 pm »
Some of what might be required may be covered by
https://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?action=agreement .

Perhaps the admins and moderators should review this statement.

As any law in the UK it won't really be known how well it works until it is tested in a court.

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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2025, 08:36:45 pm »
Patronizing censored anti opensource , predatory platforms like those is definitely not right..
There are thousands of other people who feel the same way...

I don't disagree, but the thousands who feel the same way are, unfortunately, a drop in the bucket compared to the billions who don't.

You are absolutely right. That is why it is so easy to lie, rob or enslave these billions. Or to persuade them to commit villainy or crime. Over the course of several thousand years of human history, this pattern has occurred many times. The only differences were that the higher the technological progress, the easier, faster and on a larger scale it was possible to do it. Skepticism and jumping to conclusions have never been important to most people. In this respect, humanity is incurable. That is the biological construction of most creatures of this species.



The fact that we are still using pascal by definition makes us outliers. So I feel no need to jump on the surveillance capitalism bandwagon. 8)

Capitalism has "stretched out its legs" a long time ago. What exists is only despotism and oligarchy. Besides, many people do not understand that the owners, presidents and supervisors of large companies hate capitalism. In capitalism, business owners cannot sleep soundly because their competition is "hot on their heels". And in an oligarchic system, they make a deal with politicians and have peace. Mammon flows itself into the pocket. And the common folk admire all those Welchs, Gateses, Jobs, Zuckerbergs and other clever little crooks.

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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2025, 08:48:31 pm »
So what will the people in Uk do about their government threatening online places they go to?
I guess the easiest solution from the standpoint of website owners is to block all uk ip addresses and compell uk residents to use vpn services which will likely become next target... then what? I’m glad I’m not from the uk .. :D

Because the UK is moving more and more boldly towards a "bright future" along the path trodden by such wonderful "centuries-old democracies" as Russia, Turkey and China. Not to mention the "democracies of democracies" from North Africa and the Middle East :D And on the horizon of the inhabitants of Albion, you can see a glow shimmering with red and green colors, with gleaming from a distance: a hammer and sickle, and sometimes even a sword, of a certain medieval butcher from the Middle East.

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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2025, 11:00:41 pm »
The government likes to pretend to have a parent child relationship with citizens when the reality is probably closer to farmer livestock. The purpose of citizens is to be exploited. Governments have always been willing to send millions to their deaths for many reasons.

Visual lab the reason I thought of capitalism is the make as much money as possible being the main goal. Does it really stop being capitalism when a few people win? There is no mechanism to avoid this so far as I can tell.

Not just british but all English speaking countries seem to want to imitate famous countries that did purges. I Heard on a podcast recently that crowds only care about the present, they don’t think about history. People Have/are/will happily enter dystopia Based on a story about “Stopping illegal immigrants“,”protecting children” and “Saving the planet from global warming”.
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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2025, 11:27:50 pm »
Visual lab the reason I thought of capitalism is the make as much money as possible being the main goal. Does it really stop being capitalism when a few people win? There is no mechanism to avoid this so far as I can tell.

The ostensible foundation of capitalism is that every worker has disposable income which zhe can choose to invest as part of the capitalisation of a wealth-generating enterprise, to everybody's advantage.

In practice that has been subverted by the obligation of every worker to keep his money in a bank account and to contribute to a pension scheme, which has left the "effective capitalists" being a relatively small number of financial institutions.

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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2025, 11:53:48 pm »
Visual lab the reason I thought of capitalism is the make as much money as possible being the main goal. Does it really stop being capitalism when a few people win? There is no mechanism to avoid this so far as I can tell.

The ostensible foundation of capitalism is that every worker has disposable income which zhe can choose to invest as part of the capitalisation of a wealth-generating enterprise, to everybody's advantage.

In practice that has been subverted by the obligation of every worker to keep his money in a bank account and to contribute to a pension scheme, which has left the "effective capitalists" being a relatively small number of financial institutions.

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Exactly. This is precisely a short and concise description of the essence of oligarchy.

Many years ago, the hypothesis of convergence of warring political powers (USSR-USA) was popular. In the case of politics, economy and society, it takes a long time to verify hypotheses. Well, after all these years, we can say that this hypothesis turned out to be quite accurate, both for the USSR and the USA.

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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #57 on: January 24, 2025, 01:38:37 am »
Pensions often seem like a Ponzi scheme for paying people less money now in exchange for money promised in the future. Time and time again pension funds get subverted and are inadequate/not there when needed. It would be better to pay people enough so that they can be responsible for investing their own money for the future in whatever way they see fit. Historically people would rely upon their families for many things that they now hope the government will provide.

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Many years ago, the hypothesis of convergence of warring political powers (USSR-USA) was popular. In the case of politics, economy and society, it takes a long time to verify hypotheses. Well, after all these years, we can say that this hypothesis turned out to be quite accurate, both for the USSR and the USA.
I recently heard a story about the Bolsheviks being funded by western interests as well as other ways that the west gave technology to the USSR.  For all we know the USSR was just a much needed boogeymen to keep citizens focused on something else while they are being exploited. I’ve learned to question everything I was ever told after so many things have turned out to be lies.
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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2025, 12:00:29 pm »
It would be better to pay people enough so that they can be responsible for investing their own money for the future in whatever way they see fit. Historically people would rely upon their families for many things that they now hope the government will provide.

That only works if you're prepared to see beggars and cripples on street corners because there is absolutely no state safety net.

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I recently heard a story about the Bolsheviks being funded by western interests as well as other ways that the west gave technology to the USSR.  For all we know the USSR was just a much needed boogeymen to keep citizens focused on something else while they are being exploited. I’ve learned to question everything I was ever told after so many things have turned out to be lies.

Well, you're notoriously sloppy with your sources. What /is/ definite is that Germany installed Lenin as the effective leader of the USSR in an attempt to end WW1: read about the treaty of Brest-Litovsk (sp?), its reversal, the reparations forced on Germany, and the inevitable rise of militant nationalism as a direct result. Extrapolate that through the Marshall Plan and German reconstruction after WW2 and you'll see that the current Ukraine situation is just more of the same.

None of which is really on-topic for this thread.

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Re: UK's Online Safety Act
« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2025, 03:12:06 pm »
And on the horizon of the inhabitants of Albion, you can see a glow shimmering with red and green colors, with gleaming from a distance: a hammer and sickle, ...

What do you have against hammer and sickle?  :-\

 

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