Good opportunity for a free pascal operating system...

[nomad]

Has everyone been watching what is happening to the linux kernel. It seems linux will go down the drain. This is a good opportunity fore the free pascal community to do a operating system that learns from the mistakes of the linux foundation. Would love to hear what the community thinks about these events.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPF2NSFvNCc

[TRon]

Although it is easy to share the same sentiment as you wrote this is a political and/or security related issue and one for which the details probably can't be shared (something that the host of that video seem to be unaware of).

imho the discussion that might arise from such a decision does not truly belong in the forums of an open source project. Be advised that even though projects like this are open source that it does not automatically and/or necessarily mean it is a democracy.

And why the attention to a decision made in another (unrelated) project, especially since there is not any indication that something similar applies to the projects that are supported here. atm there simply isn't a decision to be made and/or a route to take.

[nomad]

Although it is easy to share the same sentiment as you wrote this is a political and/or security related issue and one for which the details probably can't be shared (something that the host of that video seem to be unaware of).

imho the discussion that might arise from such a decision does not truly belong in the forums of an open source project. Be advised that even though projects like this are open source that it does not automatically and/or necessarily mean it is a democracy.

And why the attention to a decision made in another (unrelated) project, especially since there is not any indication that something similar applies to the projects that are supported here. atm there simply isn't a decision to be made and/or a route to take.

I see a opportunity for the free pascal community to take the lead when linux community goes into a frenzy. Weather you believe in it or not is irrelevant because everyone is allowed to have an idea unless you are a dictator. I am just saying that this mess with the linux kernel could lead to fragmentation of the community. As far as I am concerned linux is going to fall apart. The free pascal community could take advantage of the gap that will be left and become a new platform. AS I said. Its just an idea.

[Ștefan-Iulian Alecu]

I see a opportunity for the free pascal community to take the lead when linux community goes into a frenzy.

This is... wild, to say the least. First of all, you think that what happens on the Linux Foundation side (which doesn't deal with just Linux, but also projects like Ceph, Xen, Let's Encrypt, PyTorch, RISC-V etc.) is of any concern to Free Pascal. GCC is more relevant to Linux than Free Pascal, and believing otherwise is pure delusion. Not surprising from someone fear-mongering and finding the absolute worst source you could for Linux news (Lunduke).

Weather (sic!) you believe in it or not is irrelevant because everyone is allowed to have an idea unless you are a dictator.

Flat Earth or "Tomatoes are blue" are also ideas, but are they correct? Everyone is allowed to have an idea, yes, but because you posted this on a public forum it mustn't go unchallenged, because otherwise that's how you get misinformation.

I am just saying that this mess with the linux kernel could lead to fragmentation of the community. As far as I am concerned linux is going to fall apart.

And that's because... um, a couple of maintainers were kicked? Are you for real? More people probably left Linux when Linus added Rust to the kernel than because of this nothing burger. You and Steve Ballmer are on the same level of enthusiasm and delusion to believe Linux is going to fall apart. Linux didn't fall apart in the 90s, Linux didn't fall apart in the 00s and it certainly doesn't fall apart now. This is plain misinformation and ragebait. I suppose your fingers were bored and wanted some action after watching your favorite "unbiased" news. Or Fox News, either one works.

This is a good opportunity fore the free pascal community to do a operating system that learns from the mistakes of the linux foundation. Would love to hear what the community thinks about these events.

Let's assume for a moment you're right (which is a big stretch). What makes you think that other communities wouldn't do the same and why would we be more successful? You have plenty of kernels to choose from (FOSS, ignoring Linux and the BSDs). If you really want Free Pascal, you have a couple of options, like:

• https://github.com/rezgui/fpos
• https://github.com/necokeine/StreamOS
• https://torokernel.io/
• https://github.com/Laksen/fp-rtos
• https://ultibo.org/ (the RTOS part)
• https://bitbucket.org/elera0/elerais/src
• https://www.spexeah.com/index.php/asuro/

Why are you fragmenting the community by wanting to make yet another OS, when you've got so many options? For something a tad bit more useful, the ETH Zürich team would really like your help extending and improving Oberon. Even improving https://ironclad.nongnu.org/, which is a "formally verified, hard real-time capable kernel for general-purpose and embedded uses, written in SPARK and Ada", would be amazing, and it is quite unique among kernels.

The people that are the most willing to do an alternative OS to Linux is... the Rust people. https://www.redox-os.org/ is probably the most notable Rust OS, and they could have the man power to pull off an usable OS (I personally wish those man-years could be spent into Haiku or ReactOS or AROS, but that's just me). We don't have the man power necessary, not even if you bring all somewhat active people, to do something like this. But if you truly believe Linux is going to fail, you still have the BSDs, and none of them are concerned about what happens to Linux (maybe FreeBSD cares a little bit, maybe...). You can always go to Windows or macOS or some other proprietary OS if you so wish, but I would hope that goes against your beliefs. Lead the path to a better OS, make a GitHub/GitLab/... repo with your OS and your vision for how it should be, and other people will follow suit if you can display competence, ambition and perseverance. Rēs, nōn verba. Maybe you are somehow smarter than Linus and all contributors (that intelligence should've guided you towards avoiding fear-mongering and watching Lunduke, but I digress...) and your day is 72 hours long and you can be the one to do it and compete with the likes of Haiku, ReactOS, AROS, Redox, SerenityOS etc. But I doubt it.

[cdbc]

Hi
There's a *tiny* difference, between a compiler and an OS ...or didn't you know that?!?
@nomad: You just keep smoking that pipe of yours, dude   
Regards Benny

[MarkMLl]

I see a opportunity for the free pascal community to take the lead when linux community goes into a frenzy. Weather you believe in it or not is irrelevant because everyone is allowed to have an idea unless you are a dictator. I am just saying that this mess with the linux kernel could lead to fragmentation of the community. As far as I am concerned linux is going to fall apart. The free pascal community could take advantage of the gap that will be left and become a new platform. AS I said. Its just an idea.

Have you /ever/ been even minimally involved in the development or maintenance of an operating system, particularly one that had to deal with PC-style equipment?

I can assure you that even something apparently well-designed like GNU Hurd gets totally impossible, particularly when one starts measuring it against the Real World with questions such as "can we run a browser on it?".

Linux undoubtedly has massive problems, including certain geopolitical ones which potentially affect the FPC and Lazarus projects equally. And for that matter the current browser-based user environment has massive problems, starting with its reliance on extremely messy scripting most of which only exists to make life easy for Google et al.

But basically, we're stuck with them.

MarkMLl

[ccrause]

https://wiki.freepascal.org/Operating_Systems_written_in_FPC

Pick a project and start testing/contributing/promoting. Or add your Pascal based OS to the list.

[MarkMLl]

If I had that level of proficiency I'd budget a couple of weeks to design and build a custom CPU to go with it.

MarkMLl

[cpicanco]

We are living in times of war, and tensions are escalating. Linus's decision to ban Russians represents a political stance against Putin. What position will the Free Pascal community take in this conflict?

If we take a side (and even 'not taking a side' is a choice), I am certain that it could lead to a divide within our community. For the record, I am against Putin's war and support Ukraine. I am no leader here, I have no decisive power in my hands. But If I had the power, I would really be inclined to remove all possible power from the hands of Putin.

[Handoko]

I respect everyone's opinion and their political stance. But this is Lazarus/Pascal programming forum, if anyone wants to talk about politics please do it in other forums.

[MarkMLl]

We are living in times of war, and tensions are escalating. Linus's decision to ban Russians represents a political stance against Putin. What position will the Free Pascal community take in this conflict?

Not here please.

MarkMLl

[theo]

I respect everyone's opinion and their political stance. But this is Lazarus/Pascal programming forum, if anyone wants to talk about politics please do it in other forums.

Not here please.

Thank you!

[Dzandaa]

Hi,

@nomad
before discussing the "end" of Linux, read the wikipedia.

a lot of servers, supercomputers are based on Linux, even at NASA.

And I agree, the Lazarus forum is not a place to talk politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux

B->

[MarkMLl]

a lot of servers, supercomputers are based on Linux, even at NASA.

And for that matter a lot of standalone devices- "appliances" such as printers- contain either Linux or Android: and I believe that Android is now officially a Linux-derivative despite starting off with an unreconciled codebase.

By now there's probably more "uncredited" Linux boxes than there were sales of Windows CE. We'll possibly see a situation before very long when it will have overtaken the sum total of all the other commercial embedded OSes, i.e. including Cisco's IOX, QNX in multiple routers and the rest.

MarkMLl

[PascalDragon]

This is a good opportunity fore the free pascal community to do a operating system that learns from the mistakes of the linux foundation.

Aside from this event probably only being a footnote in the history of Linux, do you even have a remote idea of what amount of work goes into developing a general purpose operating system? Neither Linux nor Window nor macOS came into being as they are now in a short time, they've all been worked on for decades. At the company I work at we develop our own operating system (in C++) that is underpinning our products and it's definitely a more complete and general purpose operating system than many of the toy operating system around, but despite being twenty years old it still has some way to go.