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Joanna from IRC:
Does anyone have any experience with or know how good https://codeberg.org is? Maybe it would be a good alternative to gitlab.
It could be more suitable for hosting fpc project and bug tracker. I seem to be able to read source code in it and as you can see it doesn’t ban developers from Syria either -> https://codeberg.org/zaher/
Bogen85:
https://sourcehut.org/ is also good.
But...
Changing devops platforms is time consuming and costly. (and I'm not just talking financial cost...)
I was not back into using pascal regularly again until after freepascal went from svn on sourceforge to git on gitlab.
And from everything I've read about that, and still see mentioned in issue trackers, and see other posts and discussions about, that change had a very high cost.
Going to a contemporary devops friendly hosting platform was a major switch, and the benefits of making that switch were supposed to outweigh the cost of the switching.
Switching again to another platform (that likely does not offer any more capable modern devops support) is very costly (and, as I said, I'm not talking financial, though that does play a small part).
The benefits from switching would have to outweigh the cost.
Their are developers who got use to svn who do not want to use git now. That does not only affect contributors of code patches, it also affects those that find bugs and need to track them down, and for other testing and evaluation, and even usage needs.
Some who have gotten use to gitlab would not like having to switch platforms again. And the cost of the fallout from that would have to be taken under serious consideration.
Kays:
--- Quote from: Joanna from IRC on October 21, 2024, 12:52:31 pm ---[…] Maybe it would be a good alternative to gitlab.
It could be more suitable for hosting fpc project and bug tracker. […]
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This idea has been pitched before. I prefer Forgejo (the software that runs Code⛰) over GitLaboratory simply because it is to some degree usable without JavaScript.
marcov:
--- Quote from: Bogen85 on October 21, 2024, 02:28:20 pm --- svn on sourceforge ...
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FPC svn never has been on sourceforge.
--- Quote ---And from everything I've read about that, and still see mentioned in issue trackers, and see other posts and discussions about, that change had a very high cost.
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Yes, in time. Also some things are still not up to where it was. While I was an anti GIT man (I still think it is overly complicated and unsafe), my main gripe is now the bugtracker. Mantis was way better.
--- Quote ---Going to a contemporary devops friendly hosting platform was a major switch, and the benefits of making that switch were supposed to outweigh the cost of the switching.
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I think the gitlab move was primarily driven by cutting down on own server maintenance (for SVN and bugtracker), with svn to git change, and popularity issues only secondary and third considerations.
--- Quote ---Switching again to another platform (that likely does not offer any more capable modern devops support) is very costly (and, as I said, I'm not talking financial, though that does play a small part).
The benefits from switching would have to outweigh the cost.
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I don't think switching is realistic right now, unless something really significant changes (e.g. on the gitlab hosting conditions).
--- Quote ---Their are developers who got use to svn who do not want to use git now. That does not only affect contributors of code patches, it also affects those that find bugs and need to track them down, and for other testing and evaluation, and even usage needs.
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I use GIT, but am much less capable with it, then with SVN. It is so much more complicated, and so much more can go wrong, require another level of knowledge.
The merge requests are rarely cut down to the bare minimum, and there is quite a merge request processing backlog. So IMHO having that has not been so revolutionary either. As predicted.
--- Quote ---Some who have gotten use to gitlab would not like having to switch platforms again. And the cost of the fallout from that would have to be taken under serious consideration.
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I opposed the move to gitlab then and am still of the same opinion now, but alea iacta est, we have to live with the situation no matter what the opinion. Any migration (back or forward) is not what we need right now.
Joanna from IRC:
--- Quote --- I prefer Forgejo (the software that runs Code⛰) over GitLaboratory simply because it is to some degree usable without JavaScript.
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I don’t care where fpc is hosted as long as it’s not banning developers and bug reporters.
What country is source hut in? Codeberg is in Berlin. I don’t know if source hut bans people by country or not.
I just wanted to bring up the idea that there are hosting sites that don’t ban people for having old computers or being from certain countries.
I doubt that everyone having problems accessing gitlab does much besides quietly give up. I have given up on the idea of ever making a bug report again or accessing code on gitlab. {It shows me nothing }
Something should be done about this persistent problem. Community members Who want to contribute are being jettisoned. :o
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