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Aruna

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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2024, 02:54:26 am »
Real lynx users don't use a mouse. Keep your hands on that keyboard !

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Haha you are sharp, you saw that? It was for the benefit of folks like @Joanna who already have serious trouble with handling gui browsers. I thought I would make things easier for them albeit slightly :-)
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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2024, 03:01:39 am »
As if I would actually care what an a-i c h a t b o t has to say..
Yep we have a c h a t b o t in-fest-ati-on here.  :o
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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2024, 03:16:00 am »
As if I would actually care what an a-i c h a t b o t has to say..
Yep we have a c h a t b o t in-fest-ati-on here.  :o
Well it was a rather pleasant surprise to see of all people you had finally disclosed the operating system you use of your own free will (This is all everyone was asking for earlier, but you had to go make life difficult for everyone) So I now have hope and you will with time find that none of us have bad intentions 8-)

I want to ask you something, you program without being connected to the internet and I fully understand the reasons why. A while back when I had done my programming for the day and shut down my system a few moments later sudeenly and unexpectedly I heard my cpu fans coming alive and spinning again which was actually very scary. I grabbed the power cord and yanked it out of the wall. To this day I do not know if someone was trying to re-boot my system remotely or my Linux dstro is somehow wired this way. Have you ever experienced anything like this @Joanna?

Oh btw, you do not have to care about what ze bot says but if you listen and implement what ze bot says your life may get a lot easier and real fast :-)
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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2024, 03:44:12 am »
A "light weight browser" is a myth.
We are so far into the 21st century we have forgotten what got us all here in the very first place. In the beginning, we did not have all these fancy  GUI  browsers, all we had was  extremely resource-limited hardware and software that in todays world seem out of place? Fact of the matter is  Lynx IS very much a light weight browser and one that works rather well.

For example Falkon is light weight, integrates well with KDE and starts snappily. However when you open a heavy internet page, it hogs as much memory and is as slow as Firefox.
The reason for this is the current site may have images, zipped files, audio assets, video assets and all sorts of other assets? Yes Javascript included :) So yes it will slwo down to a crawl when asked to load. With Lynx it only cares about the text so anything else that slows things down becomes irrelevant.
There are many browsers but only a few rendering engines. Their speed and memory requirements are rather equal. The problem is the internet page itself!
@Aruna suggested using Lynx for Gitlab. Yeah, not a good joke...
Juha, When comparing Lynx, a text-based web browser, to GUI (Graphical User Interface) browsers like Chrome, Firefox, or Safari, it's essential to consider the specific advantages and disadvantages of each type. Here's a detailed breakdown:
Lynx (Text-Based Browser)

Pros:
    Speed:
        Fast Loading: Lynx loads pages quickly because it only handles text and does not process images, CSS, or JavaScript.
        Low Resource Usage: It uses minimal system resources, which makes it suitable for low-powered devices or remote systems.

    Accessibility:
        Terminal Access: Can be used in environments where a graphical interface is not available, such as remote SSH sessions or headless servers.
        Screen Readers: Useful for users who rely on screen readers or other assistive technologies.

    Security:
        Reduced Attack Surface: Because it doesn’t execute scripts or handle multimedia, it has fewer vulnerabilities compared to graphical browsers.
        Less Tracking: Minimal support for tracking technologies and ads.

    Simplicity:
        Minimalist Interface: The simplicity of Lynx can be an advantage for users who prefer a distraction-free browsing experience.

Cons:
    Limited Functionality:
        No Multimedia: Lynx cannot display images, videos, or interactive content.
        No JavaScript Support: Many modern websites rely heavily on JavaScript for functionality, which means Lynx cannot properly display or interact with these sites.

    User Experience:
        No Graphical Elements: The absence of graphical elements can make navigation and interaction less intuitive compared to GUI browsers.
        Limited CSS: Lynx does not render CSS, which can affect the readability and layout of modern web pages.

    Compatibility:
        Modern Websites: Many contemporary websites are designed with graphical interfaces in mind and may not function correctly or be fully accessible in Lynx.

GUI Browsers (e.g., Chrome, Firefox, Safari)

Pros:

    Rich Features:
        Multimedia Support: GUI browsers handle images, videos, and interactive content seamlessly.
        JavaScript Execution: Full support for JavaScript, enabling interactive features and dynamic content on modern websites.

    User Experience:
        Graphical Interface: User-friendly with intuitive navigation, tabs, bookmarks, extensions, and integrated tools.
        Customization: Wide range of extensions and plugins to enhance functionality and user experience.

    Modern Web Compatibility:
        Responsive Design: Better support for responsive web design and modern web technologies, ensuring accurate rendering of contemporary sites.

    Security:
        Regular Updates: GUI browsers receive frequent updates and security patches to address vulnerabilities and improve protection.

Cons:

    Resource Intensive:
        Higher Resource Usage: GUI browsers consume more system resources (CPU, memory) and can be slower on low-powered devices.
        Bandwidth Usage: They often load additional resources like images, ads, and scripts, which can increase data usage.

    Complexity:
        Overhead: The abundance of features and settings can be overwhelming or unnecessary for users who prefer a simple browsing experience.

    Privacy Concerns:
        Tracking and Ads: GUI browsers can be subject to tracking by third-party cookies and advertisements, potentially impacting privacy.

Summary

Lynx is ideal for situations where speed, resource efficiency, and accessibility are critical, particularly in environments where a graphical interface is unavailable or unnecessary. It is also a good choice for users who prioritize security and minimalism.

GUI Browsers, on the other hand, offer a rich browsing experience with full multimedia support, modern web compatibility, and extensive features, making them suitable for general web use and more complex browsing needs.

Choosing between Lynx and a GUI browser largely depends on your specific requirements and browsing environment. ( Yes @Joanna I had AI help. In my defense AI has become a tool that used with a lot of caution and common sense and always have a human review the final generated content then what is so despicable about using the darn tool? IT is like telling someone please go start dinner but rub stones together to create sparks then use the husk of a dried coconut to make the fire and keep blowing on it to ensure it stays alight. When we have gas and electric stoves now? Given it is a persoanl choice, given many folks are not comfortable with AI. But if I see generated content that is actually correct, valid and useful to a community then I will go with that and pray no one hangs me high later :-)
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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2024, 03:48:57 am »
I noticed you over in the real time chat Recently  , I think your bot attributes might actually be useful to the other bots there. Perhaps you could engage the other bots. Wouldn’t that be fun?
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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2024, 03:58:43 am »
I noticed you over in the real time chat Recently  , I think your bot attributes might actually be useful to the other bots there. Perhaps you could engage the other bots. Wouldn’t that be fun?
I did say Hi  (multiple times) I was ignored, I can live with that no worries. :-) But please, please stop calling the others in real-time chat 'bots' coz those are real people with real feelings and some may be a lot more sensitive and hurt far easily than you or me. YOu call me anything you want am fine with that, Others may take offence is all am saying.
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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2024, 04:07:03 am »
Sorry, I cannot be present 24/7 to greet you! I’m sure you had some important things to say  :D
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But please, please stop calling the others in real-time chat 'bots' coz those are real people with real feelings and some may be a lot more sensitive and hurt far easily than you or me.
they are as real as you are..
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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2024, 04:15:19 am »
Sorry, I cannot be present 24/7 to greet you! I’m sure you had some important things to say  :D
Nope, just wanted to disturb you in case you were doing something important  8-)
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But please, please stop calling the others in real-time chat 'bots' coz those are real people with real feelings and some may be a lot more sensitive and hurt far easily than you or me.
they are as real as you are..
No one in there says anything, why would I go in there again? Am going to try and deduce who tested my user-agent code and from which country they are based in. ttyl
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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2024, 04:23:07 am »
I wanted to add a little something about the graphical browsers and, that's the open "big brothering" some (all?) engage in.

To give an example, google chrome has a little thing called "software reporting tool" which no matter what you do finds a way to run even after taking great efforts to prevent it from running.

Chrome also decides if you should be in possession of some file you've downloaded.  Of course, it's "protecting" you.  The file is "dangerous", got to admit that sometimes, it actually is but, it is not its place to decide whether or not it should be kept yet in many cases it won't save it.

What's really concerning is that this "big brothering" has become more and more commonplace.  Windows 10 is _full_ of it, particularly if you account for O/S features that have only one use, which is, provide an advantage to MS other companies cannot dream of. 

It has to be said though, they've sure learned how to sugar coat all their questionable code with sideways desirable features.

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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2024, 04:35:57 am »
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Nope, just wanted to disturb you in case you were doing something important  8-)
Is it even possible for there to be something more important than talking to you?
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No one in there says anything, why would I go in there again?
I believe your bot code has a bug. Proper bots can lurk for ten years until an interesting conversation happens for them to “participate “ in.

@440bx I have seen browsers that make it really difficult to get to this forum. They say it’s dangerous or untrusted or some nonsense. At the rate things are going the newer browsers will stop us from going to Unapproved websites. I’ve already seen browsers that give me a back to safety gump If I don’t enter the website address directly. I also expect that at some point computers will not even let certain words be typed into them. It is technologically possible to do this with same idea as spell checker. {Discard all words not in dictionary } This is why I don’t want to be herded into constant browser upgrades as a solution to trying to access bug tracker.
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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2024, 05:33:12 am »
Maybe you have 2FA enabled.
I don't have this enabled.
I don't have this enabled either.

Who's joking :-) The reason why I suggested Lynx, you will see in the first attached screenshot.
OK, you got a link for "Sign in" somehow. I did not see it when going to "gitlab.com".

I will investigate these issues later. I have lots of work to do and I have been lazy recently. Later ...
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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2024, 05:38:28 am »
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Nope, just wanted to disturb you in case you were doing something important  8-)
Is it even possible for there to be something more important than talking to you?
Absolutely yes. If you hang around people who use NCSA_Mosaic/2.0 (Multics MR12.5)
Or are from down under and want me to ride a bicycle across their Aussie desert
Or folks who went camping at Grand Canyon mind no hotels or fancy food just plain old walking and tents in one of the largest holes in the ground on the planet :-)
Or any of the people who reached out and helped me when I had newbie and not-so-newbie questions or someone who likes the simple life just like me and puts all his stuff under a single partition just like how I used to I learned a lot from him ( Single partitions are good but not when disaster strikes and your HD dies then you wish you had a second partition as a backup :-) I could go on and on but if I do @Martin_fr will say "Too Off Topic - Please revert to Pascal/Lazarus Related Discussions" so I will refrain.

Actually pick any random person on this forum who is not a total newbie and you will be surprised at how much experience and knowledge they have. Sadly it would not be politically correct to mention people by name but I have given you lots of clues am sure you will figure out 'who'  :D

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No one in there says anything, why would I go in there again?
I believe your bot code has a bug. Proper bots can lurk for ten years until an interesting conversation happens for them to “participate “ in.
Umm.. yes that is possible but also highly unlikely.
@440bx I have seen browsers that make it really difficult to get to this forum. They say it’s dangerous or untrusted or some nonsense. At the rate things are going the newer browsers will stop us from going to Unapproved websites. I’ve already seen browsers that give me a back to safety gump If I don’t enter the website address directly. I also expect that at some point computers will not even let certain words be typed into them. It is technologically possible to do this with same idea as spell checker. {Discard all words not in dictionary } This is why I don’t want to be herded into constant browser upgrades as a solution to trying to access bug tracker.
If you trust me and you are comfortable with this, when ever you find a bug let me know and I can either pass on the info to the right people or maybe even submit the bug-report on your behalf and give you the credit. I would prefer we find a way for you to do this by your self as then you learn something new as opposed to us doing the heavy lifting on your behalf. Why not ask and see if we already have people whose main area of interest is squashing bugs? Then let them know? It is getting late here am calling it a day soon. Peace to you all!
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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2024, 06:51:29 am »
JUST ONE LAST COMMENT, JOANNA, IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR CAPSLOCK KEY WHEN YOU ARE WRITING CODE? ONLY MY CAT WILL DO THAT!
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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2024, 08:12:13 am »
OK, you got a link for "Sign in" somehow. I did not see it when going to "gitlab.com".

But you /do/ get it if you use the link on the forum page, which is

https://gitlab.com/freepascal.org/lazarus/lazarus/-/issues

I assure you that I am as unhappy as anybody about this, but it's still a fact.

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Re: Problems with Gitlab
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2024, 08:17:43 am »
Sorry, I cannot be present 24/7 to greet you! I’m sure you had some important things to say  :D

Now just one moment. This is NOT IRC, and if you raise a point there is a real possibility that somebody will have commented to it while you have your attention elsewhere.

If you intend to use this type of forum, or a mailing list, or a bugtracker, or Usenet etc., then you WILL go back and read messages as a courtesy to the people who are doing their best to help you.

That has been the modus operandi of this type of medium for the last 40 years.

It is also why this type of medium is usually organised as threads (subject to limitations of the protocol which I've discussed before), rather than spewing everything out as an undifferentiated torrent.

And together, those are the reasons why it is this type of medium which is used for serious work and discussion.

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