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dbannon:
Ah, sorry Martin, I did not check back here before starting my experiments.
But I did confirm the problem was my install, U2004 Mate (my dedicated release build machine) no problems, so I proceeded to test another VM with the same OS/desktop (debian bullseye and Mate) as my real machine.
But, while doing that test, the vm went crazy requiring a reboot (yep, froze my real machine!). And, after that reboot, the problem did not show up in in any of my installs any more. I can only put that down to a desktop issue but my chance to find out exactly what was blown away by my unexpected reboot.
If I see it again ...
Thanks for your help.
Davo
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