I give up. No IDEs can satisfy me.

[Handoko]

... I have seen no evidence that the original poster even uses Lazarus or pascal and I question his motives.

Then I should be banned from plenty of forums.

My job requires me to use a lot of tools. Learning something to the level to be able to use it to make money takes time and efforts. I have bad experience, found tools that I would want to use, spent time studying it. But later, I found that it had been abandoned by the author. Time wasted, lesson learned.

I use Drupal, WordPress, Blender, Lux Render, Yafaray, Gimp, Inkscape, LibreCAD. These software cannot be learned just in period of days or weeks. It takes months or years if you want to able to use it proficiently. I didn't want my time wasted again, before I really started to study them I really did some research, visited their website, read the documentation. And most importantly, I visited their forum many times. I wasn't an user of the software, lucky no one told me if I didn't use their software I would be unwelcome in their community. Sometimes, I just silently read their posts in the forums without register.

When I find some interesting tools, sometimes I just bookmarked their sites/forums because I was busy. ZenGL was one of them. I visited their website and forum several times. Bookmarked and would be back. When I had decide to download and study it, unfortunately from their forum I saw its author said he lost interest in ZenGL. Sad but good to know about it before I start studying it.

Inkscape was very buggy 15 years ago. I had not decided to use it. I made a test, visited their forum and posted a bug I found. I didn't expect to get any answer, that was my first post there. So I kept using Inkscape even it was almost unusable at that time, had too many bugs, crashed often.

Some authors/communities weren't so nice. That's okay, one item less in my list. There are cases a good community becomes bad. I was an active member in WordPress forum, posting helpful comments to help others. Unfortunately, WordPress decided to go professional, they implemented 'polices' in their forum to level I couldn't tolerate. I never visited the forum anymore. I still use WordPress because I have websites to maintain.

It is my story. I am one the visitors that sometimes act like a bot, increase the visit count but post nothing. And what about my intention? To see how active the forums? To see how welcome/unwelcome their communities toward new users? To test the author to see how s/he handle suggestions and criticisms? How can we know someone motives when we barely know her/him? How accurate your judgment is? And as long as I do not and have not do anything that harm the community, why should you care my motives and intentions?

[JanRoza]

Well said MarkMLI.
I think the way Johanna reacts on newcomers scares them away. New forum users are welcome and if one really is a troll people will recognise that soon enough. But please let's not go for the attitude that you need to show your passport or credentials first before you get treated with respect. We have no need for an iron lady.

[af0815]

BTW the original poster have actual only one post yet in the whole forum and here is a 47 posts long thread
Only my 2 cents

[MarkMLl]

Put another way, Joanna appears to be trying to take over and mold the forum in her own image.

MarkMLl

[Joanna]

Markml I wouldn’t want to take over this forum your imagination is running wild. I didn’t quote the original poster I came to a conclusion that he doesn’t like Lazarus.

Has nobody noticed yet that the original poster has refused to respond to the first reply from 440bx who was trying to help?

Martin is developing Lazarus and seems to enjoy all sorts of people coming here to talk. That’s fine and it is his right to run his forum as he likes.
Sometimes though {and I’m speaking as one moderator to another} the most well intentioned policies unexpectedly cause community members distress. In my case I didn’t expect that banning troll accounts would cause non trolls emotional distress but it did. In martins case letting all sorts of Accounts participate in discussions results in helpful well meaning forum members being frustrated and having their time wasted by trolls pretending to need help. There are many threads Like that.

I think this is the main point upon which martin and I disagree, I prioritize  protecting the needs of people Who are valuable members of a community over engaging new members. Martins approach is not bad if the majority of new people have good intentions. I once shared this assumption myself and my moderation style was quite lax back then.

I recently heard that most of the accounts on social media are bots. Maybe this forum is not immune to current trends...

In some situations enemies can force improvement in the context of an arms race. I used to write code for bots in a game and I can say that players constantly trying to kill my bots forced me to make some very robust code indeed. I have doubts that this principle applies to this community though.

[Martin_fr]

Martin is developing Lazarus and seems to enjoy all sorts of people coming here to talk.

The forum is not mine. I am just one of the people looking after it.

[440bx]

Has nobody noticed yet that the original poster has refused to respond to the first reply from 440bx who was trying to help?

My post was to let him know that I felt his post could have been better.  I don't like people who have vague complaints because "vagueness" doesn't help solve problems (and yes, vagueness can be used in malicious ways... the dog whistle kind of thing), but, people should get the benefit of the doubt and given a chance/request to be specific.

The fact that he has not posted anything more specific doesn't look good on him but, the point I want to make to you is that, you got to give people a chance to correct their missteps.  If they consistently fail to do that then you'll have a legitimate reason to get on their case and will have facts to support your position.

In a friendly manner I am suggesting that you be a little more tolerant initially, i.e, give the benefit of the doubt.

[ASBzone]

I prioritize  protecting the needs of people Who are valuable members of a community over engaging new members.

In theory, sure.  But in practice, the way you operate is far more detrimental to a community, because it is very predatory and gatekeeper-ish, and if this particular community were not fairly mature, with responsive moderators and admins, the adverse effects would be far more evident.

This is because the most typical response to your interrogations and snide commentary, will cause many people to simply disengage from the forum -- they won't fight or argue.

I think Handoko's post captured the essence of that risk quite well.

You keep trying to point out that the OP hasn't responded and that this proves something nefarious about them.  Their lack of response could just as easily be a reaction to your interaction with them, rather than any intentions they harbored before that.

That's what everyone is trying to tell you, and what you studiously ignore, as though you are the only one who cares about FPC/Lazarus properly or appropriately.

In general, I feel that you're well meaning, but way too careless with "weapons" -- and friendly fire still kills just as well as enemy fire.

[MarkMLl]

I prioritize  protecting the needs of people Who are valuable members of a community over engaging new members.

Well /don't/. In the context of this forum you consistently get things wrong, and do little except antagonise people.

MarkMLl

[LV]

The phrase "Nolite judicare et non judicabimini" might not be a bad thing to keep in mind when discussing any topics on forums.

[cdbc]

Hi
@LV: Good one, had to look that one up..."judge not, and ye shall not be judged"!
Well, as I see it, this is pretty bad news for @Joanna, if we(the rest of us in this forum), were to follow that  ...She *is* pretty judgmental towards others, in contrast to what she actually brings to the table.
Just my "Nickle's Worth"
Regards Benny

[VisualLab]

My point- or at least the point that I hoped to get across- is that with their form-design capability Delphi/Lazarus are substantially ahead of the opposition: I believe that nothing comparable exists for developing Rust code.

I completely agree with this statement. And it's probably going to be long before such an environment appears.

Is it really credible that developers have made an informed decision to ignore the sort of integrated facilities that Delphi/Lazarus offer, or have they done so out of ignorance?

MarkMLl

Well, various corporations invest a lot of money in their solutions, which were not necessarily ergonomic or effective. But on top of each corporation stands a group of people who do not know anything about technology (or know very little) and are not interested in improving their own solutions (because that would mean more investments, and the money would be better spent on salaries for the management). There must be a profit, and not just any profit, but a large profit. The larger the corporation and the more connections it has with other entities (corporations, government offices), the easier it will push its solution through. Money, and the rest is unimportant. If there is a problem, a so-called "marketing campaign" will be made (meaning brainwashing people). In other words, the management would rather spend money on FUD than on improving its own solutions (because FUDs are probably cheaper after all).

If Rust lovers really need an IDE, they will create one.

https://www.jetbrains.com/rust/

But this is probably their standard IDE modified to support Rust code. I don't think an IDE for Rust written in Rust would be created so quickly (there would be a lot of talk about it). Besides, it's commercial (yes, there is a simple version available for free as an incentive). But anyway, the Rust community has no influence on the development and functionality of this tool. Nevertheless, it's better than nothing for a start.

[VisualLab]

If you want a historical example : native Americans didn’t realize how dangerous the small number European visitors were and look what happened to them.

It's true that this is off topic, but...

The problem of the inhabitants of the Americas was not the arrival of a handful of Europeans. Even if the natives had chased away or killed the first Europeans, it would not have helped. Further waves of settlers from Europe would have arrived. The problem of the original inhabitants of the Americas was: (1) low level of technological development, (2) too small population size and (3) lack of organized social structures of a higher level (i.e. states). Even these populations from Central or South America were backward, despite the fact that there were states there (poorly organized). This is depressing. Because it turned out that people are no different from animals. A herd that is stronger and more numerous drives away or annihilates the weaker herd.

There have been many such situations in the history of humanity, not only in the case of the Americas (or Africa). It is happening today, now. Just look at the situation on the island of Papua (New Guinea) and the fate of the Papuans. Half of their country has been stolen by the Indonesian government (and previously by colonizers). And why? Because they can!

The conclusion for various nations is that one should: study, work, create social structures, but eradicate social pathologies. And it's good to think about whether the poorer and weaker one really needs help, because it may only be an appearance. And also think about how you help people, because helping unknown strangers at the expense of your loved ones is stupidity mixed with barbarism.

[Joanna]

the point I want to make to you is that, you got to give people a chance to correct their missteps.  If they consistently fail to do that then you'll have a legitimate reason to get on their case and will have facts to support your position.

In a friendly manner I am suggesting that you be a little more tolerant initially, i.e, give the benefit of the doubt.

I do give everyone the benefit of the doubt until I read their posts, that is when I form an opinion about them. This is unavoidable.
The fact that he made no attempt to seek help in the form before he allegedly “lost patience and gave up” and for some reason found it imperative to trash Lazarus caused me to think he is just another pascal hater who wants us to avoid using Lazarus.

Your suggestion of getting to know people doesn’t work for there types of accounts because they do hit and run tactics. They are not interested enough in pascal to stay around and develop a reputation in the forums. At this point the discussion will go round and round with idiotic accusations being made about it being my fault despite of the fact that there are plenty of hit and run trolls who disappear before having the pleasure of meeting me.

The problem of the inhabitants of the Americas was not the arrival of a handful of Europeans. Even if the natives had chased away or killed the first Europeans, it would not have helped. Further waves of settlers from Europe would have arrived.

Visual lab in all cases the Europeans had to be left alone long enough to get established. If they had been killed they would have been unable to brag about gold and other things to steal.  The weakness of the natives was curiosity I think. They didn’t  think it was necessary to kill all the intruders on sight or at least take them prisoner and learn about their technology.
The Indians didn’t expect the biowarfare of European diseases either.

[Thaddy]

He was not refering to violence, but disease brought in by the Europeans.
You should also know that the Aztecs, Maya and Incas were highly technically advanced, in some cases even more so than Europeans, Indians from the Indian peninsula, Thai or the Chinese. And I left some out.
A prime example being Base 20 math, which is much easier to work with fractions...
What you are refering to is Trumpian legend, believing in fables.
In the USA the median Joe comes short of the median western European for that reason.
That is different from average Joe...