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Re: multi topic threads... opt in/out (SPLIT OFF)
« on: July 09, 2024, 12:15:19 pm »
Hi All,

I pop on here as and when I have time.

I noticed this post, looked interesting ' Forum is so SLOOOW... Again! '

1st half page of posts related to topic, then pages (6) of off topic posts, that i did not read thoroughly but wasted my time reading things that i was not interested in. finally thaddy brings it back on topic a few posts back to no avail.

I would personally like for users not post off topic as it makes lazarus search function pointless, and search egines will populate the off topic posts in with data that relates to the topic.

If users want to post off topic, create a new topic. That is how it is done in the commercial world, and some companies i work for absolutely ban off topic posts in forum or 'zendesk' type services because things get missed.

I do not normally post these tyes of things ( if you want check my history ), but these types of off topic, accusing with no proof is bad reading.
False accusation is a civil/criminal offense in most countries, and I do NOT want Lazarus/FPC to get caught in a legal 'aiding and abetting case'.

I have said my piece, and will not be responding or reading this topic further.

note to mods.
can i block a topic from showing? I could then filter this kind of stuff out when I notice it, I do not want to report them.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2024, 12:59:38 pm by Martin_fr »
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1st half page of posts related to topic, then pages (6) of off topic posts,
Valid point.

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can i block a topic from showing? I could then filter this kind of stuff out when I notice it, I do not want to report them.
Unfortunately no.

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Well, it makes your life easier? instead of "other" a "/dev/null" for fruity and fruitfull discussions? So yes, I proposed it and I am all for it.
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Re: multi topic threads... / SPLIT OFF -Re: Forum is so SLOOOW... Again!
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2024, 12:59:00 pm »
And splitted one more time...

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Re: multi topic threads... opt in/out (SPLIT OFF)
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2024, 01:03:08 pm »
Ah, Martin, I feel for you !

Would you be better just locking it ?  Its not going anywhere, no one is going to change their minds, and its getting just a bit too 'tense' !

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Re: multi topic threads... opt in/out (SPLIT OFF)
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2024, 01:03:36 pm »
A new board wouldn't solve the issue IMHO. We would still need to decide what qualifies to go in there and what not.

And a heck of extra work on splitting threads. And ideally (but not supported by the forum) split some posts, to go half in one, half in the other thread...

Though actually, a board can be set up with "opt in". But not with "opt out" (afaik).

So if we had a clear rule "this is just off topic banter", then we could move that to such a board, and people had to opt in to read it. Though I think, it should be opt out, and even then, the whole organizational work to make that happen would be way to much. So I don't see that happen at all.

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Re: multi topic threads... opt in/out (SPLIT OFF)
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2024, 01:26:16 pm »
Actually, maybe we need a "Conspiracy Theory Board" ?  You know,

Niklaus Wirth was actually a 22nd Century robot sent back in time to prevent total domination by Python. Python's lack of typing is causing system crashes in the AI running the world and it desperately needs a stable code base.....

It could be that Joanna is Arnold Schwarzenegger's sister and is fighting on our behalf but is not allowed to inform us of the ongoing battle.

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Re: multi topic threads... opt in/out (SPLIT OFF)
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2024, 02:02:18 pm »
It could be that Joanna is Arnold Schwarzenegger's sister and is fighting on our behalf but is not allowed to inform us of the ongoing battle.

Davo
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Re: multi topic threads... opt in/out (SPLIT OFF)
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2024, 02:03:52 pm »
I'm going to "do the unspeakable" and stick up for Joanna here, since after at least one mod "read her the riot act" she has exhibited far more appreciation of what the rest of us are- and aren't- prepared to put up with.

Besides, I'm inclined to wibble on occasion so can hardly call that pot black.

There is, however, at least one other recognisable troll who has on at least two occasions tried to promote himself as a "language expert" and in support of that has posted entirely unrelated photos. A recent thread that I started was graced by his presence and I'm afraid that the mods ignored my request that it be truncated and locked... perhaps they enjoyed the spectacle of my losing my temper >:-)

It would be nice to be able to ignore threads that get out of control. It would be even nicer if the originator of a thread were allowed to lock it, at the very least until a mod has been able to review apparent abuse.

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Re: multi topic threads... opt in/out (SPLIT OFF)
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2024, 02:07:21 pm »
Hi Martin,

I said i would not read and post to this topic, but technically it is a new topic ;).

If the off topics were moved to a Board Named 'OFF TOPIC Moved by Moderators' and set to be visible to only registered users ( board permission tab ), i think would solve it quite well, setting to registered users would stop normal bots and bonafide search engines from trawling the off topic posts.

And then if I want to to view them, I need to login and navigate to board, not sure with SMF but a link to the 'OFF Topic board' could be on the left menu which is only displayed when logged in.

Just an idea.
Adding some text to the reply form.

"If your ideas drift and roam,
Give them a brand-new thread to call home,
Let’s keep our space a focused zone:
Please refrain from off-topic posts [added],  or a robot might groan"
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Re: multi topic threads... opt in/out (SPLIT OFF)
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2024, 02:22:48 pm »
Hi
I'm a member of the PCLinuxOS forum and in there, we have a "Sandbox", in which we can play with all kinds of "Dufus" things & topics skewed, irrelevant or plain ol' humouristic...
In the sandbox, the mods are 'laissez faire', but if you try your /shenanigans/ in the other boards/branches, the rulings are harsh!
Maybe that could alleviate "/dev/null" ?!?
It works very well, in that forum.
Just my 'Nickle's Worth'  :)
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Re: multi topic threads... opt in/out (SPLIT OFF)
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2024, 02:48:23 pm »
Josh, I suspect that (from what Martin said) that will still require some work by Martin and maybe we need to question how much effort needs be put in because of this rowdy behavior (of which I am an offender).

Even splitting the topic is considerable work. What if we depended on the forum's good culture and had a rule that if mod suggests "no more on topic x in this thread, go start a new one in 'Other'" - we would do so ?

Mark - I don't think allowing the originator to lock a thread is a good idea, the case in point diverged from the original (thats the problem) and the originator showed only passing interest in it once Marc did his magic.

Mark, no need to apologize for defending Joanna, we all know that she is sincere, indeed, I was quite worried when she said trolls we targeting her specifically. That is, IMHO unacceptable. But why her ?  Because she is particularly attuned to potential trolls ?

I am, to be honest, not aware of a troll problem here. I often see spam, because of timing, maybe I see (and report it) more than most. I would have said spam was a bigger problem than Troll but with both your and Joanna's experience, maybe I am wrong.

I guess we all need to remember that threads should stay on topic, we should create a "following on from topic YYZ" if necessary and other people should respect that shift ?

Ah, cross posting with Benny, I support what he says !

David

edit : Benny, do the "sandbox" discussions have a "use by date" ?

 
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Re: multi topic threads... opt in/out (SPLIT OFF)
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2024, 03:53:36 pm »
Hi David
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do the "sandbox" discussions have a "use by date" ?
Not that I'm aware of, they tend to just become 'uninteresting' at some point...
Good idea though =^
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Re: multi topic threads... opt in/out (SPLIT OFF)
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2024, 09:10:46 pm »
There is, however, at least one other recognisable troll who has on at least two occasions tried to promote himself as a "language expert" and in support of that has posted entirely unrelated photos.

I saw him too. That young man learned C++ and a bit other languages, capable to write some programs, acted stupidly, replying the question without really read it, providing unrelated answers and images. A troll? Maybe not. But certainly a clown.
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Re: multi topic threads... opt in/out (SPLIT OFF)
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2024, 10:59:43 am »
Hi Martin,

I said i would not read and post to this topic, but technically it is a new topic ;).

If the off topics were moved to a Board Named 'OFF TOPIC Moved by Moderators' and set to be visible to only registered users ( board permission tab ), i think would solve it quite well, setting to registered users would stop normal bots and bonafide search engines from trawling the off topic posts.

And then if I want to to view them, I need to login and navigate to board, not sure with SMF but a link to the 'OFF Topic board' could be on the left menu which is only displayed when logged in.

The Miscellaneous/Other (the one we are in now) was meant for exactly this. So having another off topic board ... I don't see the need
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