What are Modula2 And Oberon?

[JanRoza]

Hence I don't much care for one way communication if I can avoid it.

Joanna,
first you were always ranting about IRC, now you start a rant about wikipedia ...... I thought the subject was "Whar are Modula2 and Oberon".
Please, for once, stay on subject!
I'm getting so tired of all those conspiracy rants.

[Thaddy]

and shortly after by Delphi v3 targeting Win-32 (i.e. Windows NT etc.); v2 attempted to support both Win-16 and Win-32 but didn't have a particularly high profile.

It was Delphi 2 and that was 32 bit only. Alhough Delphi1 was bundled to provide 16 bit support. D3 and higher also provided D1  bundled for some licenses for a couple of releases. Basically until the 32 bit subsystem was dropped and subsequently XP became the norm for consumer Windows as a true 32 bit system. From win32s up until win98 32 bit was a subsystem on versions other than NT3.1 and higher, which were aimed at professionals only.

[440bx]

Basically until the 32 bit subsystem was dropped ...

You mean "until the 16 bit subsystem was dropped..." correct ?

[Thaddy]

Read it as until the 32 bit subsystem was droppped in favor of a true 32 bit + system with flat memory lay-out for 32 bit + processors, e.g. from WindowsXP and for pro winNT3.1

[440bx]

i guess you mean Win32s which was a subset of the Win32 API implemented on top of Win16.  On Win16, there wasn't a Win32 subsystem.

[phoenix27]

Pascal is a JEW?!? I don't think so .  On the contrary, considering that in order to understand C declarations you have to read them from right to left and given the fact that jews write right to left(if i'm not mistaken) i would say that C is a jew!!

[phoenix27]

Joanna, i read some of your comments and you clearly look like a contrarian, like someone who doesn't blindly trust the mainstream like the majority does. So i' m sure you didn't get into your body the chemical concoction that was pushed so hard on us by the mainstream (corrupted or plain idiots journalists, doctors. politicians and so on), including a sordid computer guy, son of another sordid individual who was on the board on planned parenthood(which to me translates to communism and eugenics). Good on you!

[Thaddy]

Pascal is a JEW?!? I don't think so .  On the contrary, considering that in order to understand C declarations you have to read them from right to left and given the fact that jews write right to left(if i'm not mistaken) i would say that C is a jew!!

In the context of computer science also known a RPN. A language that implements this is Forth (one of my favorites during my studies).
I would drop to refer to Jews, though. It is not relevant at all.

[phoenix27]

"In the context of computer science also known a RPN. A language that implements this is Forth"
What a coincidence!!. Just some days ago i came across the Forth language. I didn't know how interesting it is, i thought it was related to FORTran ahahah. It is a stack based language, in which you first push the values you need on the stack and then you push the function that consume those values. But as always if there are no GUI batteries included(like in freepascal) i lose interest. So i searched for a more viable alternative and i found Factor, which is a concatenative stack based language inspired by Forth. I played a bit with it and it's quite fast despite being an interpreted language. Also it has an extensive library, including some UI facilities.

[phoenix27]

"Actually both Hebrew and Arabic are written right to left so that is not a good basis for determining that."
Well, i was joking, dear Joanna . Although i really consider C a satanic language ahahhaa, Just to understand the declarations(especially pointers related stuff) you have to invoke the boss of the Synagogue of Satan 
The word anti-semitic, if i' m not mistaken, means really anti-arab. Since the Jews always use this word against everybody who try to question them, then i suppose they might really be of Arab origin after all.

[440bx]

I resent you using the word “conspiracy“ to devalue my concerns though. That’s disrespectful!

Your resenting anything is irrelevant and meaningless.  You and a few others in this thread make accusations against Wikipedia but, none of you have the _decency_ of supporting them, therefore, your "concerns" (read: unsupported biases) are not worth anyone's consideration (certainly not mine!).

Also, if you'd like to get respect, you should start by earning it.  A good way would be to provide a list of links to Wikipedia articles (here, where you made the accusations) along with a clear explanation of what is objectionable in each of them along with _credible_, _reputable_ sources that support the points you make.

Lastly, the above applies to _all_ of those who have made unsupported accusations. 

[phoenix27]

"How long have you been programming in pascal?"
First of all i' m not a professional programmer, i' m a pop programmer ahaha. I just do little things for myself.
It's been some months now since i started learning Pascal, on and off of course. It may seem strange but didn't know about Lazarus until some moths ago. It went like this, since i became more aware of what's going on with big CORPorations like Google, Microsoft, Apple and so on i stopped following their products(C Sharp, Python and especially Electron) and tried to find some really independent alternative. So i searched for RAD tools and came across Lazarus. I couldn't believe it's been out since 2001 and i' ve never heard of it. Or maybe i don't remember. Instead i remember well Delphi, one of the best RAD and for me the best ever name for an IDE. Yes, the name is important too you know. I could never program in a language called Kotlin for example, no matter how good it is. But then i' m not a professional programmer so i can choose 

[VisualLab]

Pascal is a JEW?!? I don't think so .  On the contrary, considering that in order to understand C declarations you have to read them from right to left and given the fact that jews write right to left(if i'm not mistaken) i would say that C is a jew!!

The Jews use the Hebrew alphabet, which is based on ancient Hebrew. In antiquity, apart from Herbaic, there were, for example, Syriac and Aramaic. All of them (Hebrew, Syriac, Aramaic) probably come from Old Phoenician, which in turn comes from Ugarit. The Aramaic alphabet, in turn, was the ancestor of the Arabic. All of these alphabets are written from right to left (no vowels, although vowel positions in the text may be indicated by dots above and below the characters). It's not just the Jews who write the text this way. So what: C is Arab? Or maybe an Iraqi or a Lebanese (because they too belong to the group that uses Semitic languages). It was probably supposed to be some kind of bizarre "joke", but it turned out to be nonsense.

[MarkMLl]

It was probably supposed to be some kind of bizarre "joke", but it turned out to be nonsense.

No, it was vandalism. In Wikipedia.

Look chaps, we're getting /way/ off-topic here. If nobody has anything more to say about Modula-2 or Oberon and how they relate to Pascal and (possibly) its predecessors I think it's time to wrap things up.

MarkMLl

[VisualLab]

I resent you using the word “conspiracy“ to devalue my concerns though. That’s disrespectful!

Your resenting anything is irrelevant and meaningless.  You and a few others in this thread make accusations against Wikipedia but, none of you have the _decency_ of supporting them, therefore, your "concerns" (read: unsupported biases) are not worth anyone's consideration (certainly not mine!).

That's probably me in "a few others"

I'm not blaming Wikipedia, because it's not human. A man's creation (whatever it is) can only be criticized or praised. Criticism can be:

• unjustified, malicious - its purpose is to discourage people from doing something or to "pour out one's own regrets",
• constructive, necessary - its purpose is to catch defects and errors in order to eliminate them and/or improve something.

In this situation, the criticism in (1) is a condemnation or a complaint. The criticism in (2) is actually a kind of review.

I don't think anyone on this forum thinks (at least I do) that the idea of creating a knowledge base that is freely available to anyone is a bad idea. On the contrary. Also, the idea of people being able to add articles to it is theoretically fine. Anyone with knowledge can write an article in a field they know well. Unfortunately, we all also know that not everyone is honest or impartial. And that's the problem - with people, not with the idea of Wikipedia as such. So I ask (440bx in particular) how to protect Wikipedia from: vandals, idiots, fanatics or just plain fraudsters? Hmm?

This is not just Wikipedia's problem. The same problem occurs in all knowledge bases. Have there been fraudulent scientific articles in the databases of publishers (eg ASC, Elsevier, Nature, RSC, Springer, Wiley, etc.)? We all know that this was the case (examples: Victor Ninov, Jan Hendrik Schon, etc.). Were the culprits immediately "caught by the hand"? from where! It took a while before they were proven wrong (fraud?) in their publications. Question: Are there other bugs/cheats in these databases? Probably. But we'll find out about that in a while, if someone finds such things. And these are databases where reviewing articles is used (supposedly quite rigorous).

Historians who refer to historical records (clay tablets, inscriptions engraved on stones, papyri, manuscripts, etc.) have a similar problem with the reliability of the information provided. And these are people who, during their studies, are taught to be skeptical about the information they analyze and how to deal with this problem.

Therefore, before accusing someone of being a "obsessed conspiracy type" or an "antisocial type", perhaps one should first ask, "why do you say something is unreliable"?

Skepticism is not a vice. It is thanks to him that the development of science, technology and human history takes place. Otherwise, people would still make bt sacrifices to thunder gods, jaguars, bears, or whatever.