Forum. First post of the thread.

[Seenkao]

  Я понимаю, что иногда не очень хорошо если человек будет постоянно редактировать свои посты, но было бы очень неплохо иметь возможность редактировать именно первый пост темы. Но в связи с тем, что изменить первый пост нельзя, то в теме многое может потеряться. А если тема большая, то сложно найти нужную информацию именно в данной теме.

  Создавать каждый раз новую тему? Тоже не очень хорошо выглядит, это замусоривает форум и так же может потеряться определённая информация и её надо будет искать дольше.

  Успехов всем!


Google translate:
  I understand that sometimes it's not very good for a person to constantly edit their posts, but it would be very nice to be able to edit the first post of the topic. But due to the fact that it is impossible to change the first post, a lot can be lost in the topic. And if the topic is large, then it is difficult to find the necessary information in this particular topic.

   Create a new topic each time? It also doesn’t look very good, it litters the forum and certain information may also be lost and it will take longer to search for it.

   Good luck to everyone!

[TRon]

You mean that you have to wait for someone to reply in order for you to be able to edit your first post (for example to change the topic to solved) ?

[Martin_fr]

- It should be possible to edit the first post.
- It is not possible to delete the first post.

Also editing the first post is meant for correcting mistakes or making clarifications.

The first post should not be changed to a new topic, or emptied. If people replied to a question it is a matter of respect to keep the question available.
People who remove their questions, leaving the replies dangling without context may have their right to edit taken away.

If a thread was posted by mistake, and does not have replies yet: Lock the thread (so it wont get any answers), then report it (report your own msg) to moderators, asking for it to be removed.

[Martin_fr]

I just tested (with a regular account) => first post in topic can be edited.

If there is trouble with that, then maybe it is something on a specific board.

[Seenkao]

Надеюсь так будет понятнее.

Google translate:
I hope this will be clearer.

[Martin_fr]

Ok seems there is something going wrong somewhere....

I haven't been able to find it yet. Might take a while.

[TRon]

@Martin_fr:
Could it have anything to do with the user status ? e.g. I am able to edit an older post but my status is "hero member" while Seenkao is a "sr. member". I assume your test user also did not have a "upgraded" status ? On the other hand I have seen users with less postcount that renamed their title to include [solved]

The only other thing I can think of is that there is protection/mod in place that prevents user's from modifying post that are older than a certain date.

Just trying to come up with something reasonable in case it hasn't crossed your mind (already).

[Martin_fr]

that are older than a certain date.

Ah, yes. Hadn't thought of that => 6 weeks.

[TRon]

@Martin_fr
Glad that you got that sorted out that quick. Well, now we know

[Seenkao]

И что мне делать? Плодить новые темы?

What am I supposed to do? Produce new themes?

[Martin_fr]

What do you want to change / add / remove in that post?

Why can't it be in a new post at the end of the thread?


The problem is, that spammers may post a topic that is all good (ask some real Pascal question). Then a year later, they change it to spam. There is no notification, and one reads the topic, so it will never be noted...

And the setting is global. It can't be made for "New member" only. (Only exception is moderators and admins).

[Seenkao]

Why can't it be in a new post at the end of the thread?

Суть проблемы в том, что я мог бы как раз все необходимые ссылки указывать в первом посту. А когда добавляешь сообщения в конец, информативные сообщения могут потеряться где-то в середине темы.

И ещё один вопрос, как я могу указать ссылку на определённый пост в определённой теме?

Google translate:
The essence of the problem is that I could just indicate all the necessary links in the first post. And when you add messages to the end, informative messages can get lost somewhere in the middle of the topic.

And one more question, how can I link to a specific post in a specific topic?

[Martin_fr]

So, when you release 3.4 you want to update the first post to contain that?

Ok, though it could actually move some replies in the wrong context. If a user just replied "your release has bug xyz", and you add more releases, then the users comment can't be attributed anymore. Probably not a big problem.

I send a note to the other moderators, lets see if anyone has an idea.

It might be that depending on spammer activity the protection can be dropped, but the problem remains that if spammers abuse it.... Back to were we are.

And the forum does not allow to configure your message or your account to be allowed....
And that 6 weeks limit applies to replies too. (afaik). So even if a link to a later post was inserted, that eventually stops working too.

The header of each post in a thread has a link to itself.

2nd message in the thread you mentioned: https://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,49143.msg355253.html#msg355253

[Martin_fr]

And yes, in the past you were able to edit the message even though it was older than 6 weeks. Then we had a particular bad spam attack, and the rule was added.

[Eugene Loza]

spam attack, and the rule was added.

I wonder, maybe creating a special group "third-party apps developers" where the users can be manually added could solve both issues? This way a small amount of hand-picked users will have ability to change the first message of the post indefinitely - something that looks good for an app support thread if the app keeps getting updates over a period longer than 6 weeks. And will also keep newbies from posting a harmless first message and then replacing it for something malicious to evade moderation process.