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GitLab.com vs Codeberg.org
« on: September 04, 2022, 06:58:43 pm »
Hello.

There is a project that I follow for age, that has his deb debian official package and with code hosted on Gitlab.
https://www.surina.net/soundtouch/download.html

Suddenly, without any warning, GitLab just blocked soundtouch account.
Here the note of maintainer:

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2021-10-14 OP: For some reason that currently is unknown to us, gitlab.com
blocked soundtouch account without any prior notice,
hence soundtouch repository moved to codeberg.org, hopefully a more stable and friendly home for an opensource project.

Here his new CodeBerg project:
https://codeberg.org/soundtouch/soundtouch

I hope that GitLab will not do the same for fpc/Lazarus (or some projects that I care).
« Last Edit: September 06, 2022, 09:46:00 pm by Fred vS »
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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2022, 07:04:15 pm »
There was a good reason for that, Fred. Just not public yet. Simply don't use it for now.
(Well, if you really payed attention and did some research you know why my reaction is that way....)

I strongly discourage the use of codeberg, obviously.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2022, 07:09:11 pm by Thaddy »
"Looks" OK, doesn't mean it is IS OK.

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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2022, 07:08:53 pm »
Just not public yet. Simply don't use it for now.

Hello Thaddy.

Not sure to understand, should I renounce to use that library just because GitLab blocked the account, without any notice?
Is GitLab the promised GodLab?
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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2022, 07:11:54 pm »
Just not public yet. Simply don't use it for now.

Hello Thaddy.

Not sure to understand, should I renounce to use that library just because GitLab blocked the account, without any notice?
Is GitLab the promised GodLab?
No, you should pay attention from where it is coming from. You are perfectly capabele to detect that yourself. See my avatar, the world is more complex than you think!
The gitlab account is blocked for good reasons. And no notice is a good thing. Not all is what is seems. This may be legit, but the maintainer is under surveillance. Kind like a fly trap.
You can ask why it is blocked, btw. Probably similar answer.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2022, 07:19:07 pm by Thaddy »
"Looks" OK, doesn't mean it is IS OK.

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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2022, 07:18:23 pm »
Just not public yet. Simply don't use it for now.

Hello Thaddy.

Not sure to understand, should I renounce to use that library just because GitLab blocked the account, without any notice?
Is GitLab the promised GodLab?
Gitlab don't like yor placement? Well, you always can move to another repo site, isn't it? And they moved, not deleted, right? So, best practice can be to make many copies on different repo sites
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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2022, 07:19:53 pm »
The gitlab account is blocked for good reasons.

Hum, maybe but why not give any infos or warning to the owner/maintainer?
( Or you encourage me to, like must be always done in that new age, do my own exploration and find the reason if there is one and give the result to Olli the maintainer).

(Anyway, imho, gitlab should give a message to the maintainer but ok, respect does not have any sense now)
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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2022, 07:20:39 pm »
Gitlab don't like yor placement? Well, you always can move to another repo site, isn't it? And they moved, not deleted, right? So, best practice can be to make many copies on different repo sites
Gitlab does only do so without notice is something is really wrong. Moving things make things worse.
"Looks" OK, doesn't mean it is IS OK.

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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2022, 07:21:37 pm »
The gitlab account is blocked for good reasons.

Hum, maybe but why not give any infos or warning to the owner/maintainer?
( Or you encourage me to, like must be always done in that new age, do my own exploration and find the reason if there is one and give the result to Olli the maintainer).

(Anyway, imho, gitlab should give a message to the maintainer but ok, respect does not have any sense now)
I know for a fact that the maintainer has got the message....
"Looks" OK, doesn't mean it is IS OK.

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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2022, 07:29:24 pm »
The gitlab account is blocked for good reasons.

Hum, maybe but why not give any infos or warning to the owner/maintainer?
( Or you encourage me to, like must be always done in that new age, do my own exploration and find the reason if there is one and give the result to Olli the maintainer).

(Anyway, imho, gitlab should give a message to the maintainer but ok, respect does not have any sense now)
I know for a fact that the maintainer has got the message....

Hum, I wouldn't dare to insist on that, Olli Parviainen, the maintainer said that he dont receive anything, better not upset him.  :-X
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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2022, 07:35:27 pm »
@Thaddy.

OK, I will investigate, annoying  (I am the King for that) GitLab team, asking why this site is blocked:
https://gitlab.com/soundtouch/soundtouch

 O:-)

[EDIT] https://forum.gitlab.com/t/gitlab-blocked-account/74570
« Last Edit: September 04, 2022, 07:53:47 pm by Fred vS »
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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2022, 09:24:44 pm »
For the fun and only if it works out-of-the-box, I did try to create migration to CodeBerg of one of my project from GitHub and GitLab.

I have to admit that it was incredibly easy, just a account to create, then click on New Migration and choose a GitLab, GitHub or many other servers.

https://codeberg.org/fredvs/uos

Not doing pub but that Codeberg has server on Europe (Germany)...
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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2022, 01:11:36 am »
This is all more than vague...

First of all, the account does not seem to be blocked right now? All we have is a statement of that person (of whom we know little to nothing?)

On the gitlab page the author wrote:
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This move is because gitlab.com once suddenly blocked our account and another time made the repository private without any prior notice,
"ONCE" => as in "one time in the past". (One  times is still one time to much, but...)

And they had issues before (moved to private).

Other than the statement, there is no proof. The user may have done so himself by accident, or given to much access to a contributor, or have been hacked..... I don't say any of this was the case, but I for once have no objective information about what really happened. (And any extremely vague hint by someone else, alluding of that person self-claimed non-proven inside knowledge... well that does not help either)

Another easy explanation could be, he logged in from another browser => then you get an email, if that was you, or if you need to change your password. It contains a link, to be clicked only if it wasn't you. Maybe that got mistaken?

Or maybe there once was a fault/bug/mistake at/by GitLab? Happens to the best. But if so, it doesn't look like it's something that is out of control. It's not like everytime you read about gitlab it ends in a warning....


All I can say is
- he got access again, because he posted that statement.
- the repo is still there, accessible to everyone

All the rest seems speculation (as are all of my above possibilities)



So overall, I don't think that having a project at gitlab is a risk of loosing access.

Speculating again they (as a big entity) a probably in a much better position to protect my data for me against loss by hardware fault, hacker attack, even my own fault. A better position than I would be in if I hosted myself, or than a smaller entity might be.

And as for trust, in the grand picture there is no reason not to.

Also git is distributed. We always have a copy. Only the issues and merge requests, we don't have outside of gitlab.

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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2022, 01:59:40 am »
Yes, never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2022, 11:54:51 am »
First of all, the account does not seem to be blocked right now? All we have is a statement of that person (of whom we know little to nothing?)

On the gitlab page the author wrote:
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This move is because gitlab.com once suddenly blocked our account and another time made the repository private without any prior notice,
"ONCE" => as in "one time in the past". (One  times is still one time to much, but...)

And they had issues before (moved to private).

Hum, indeed I have seen that too.
But I trust Olli, if he said that he got problems, it is true.

And what I like with CodeBerg is that it seems to not be part of a giant group, like GitHub and GitLab, and that the main servers are in EU-Germany.

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Re: GitLab vs Codeberg.org
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2022, 06:44:50 pm »
I strongly discourage the use of codeberg, obviously.

@Thaddy: Could you give, please, the obvious reason why?
« Last Edit: September 05, 2022, 06:46:57 pm by Fred vS »
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https://github.com/fredvs
https://gitlab.com/fredvs
https://codeberg.org/fredvs

 

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