thank you for responding (a little needling always helps to get help

if i use inherited create(aowner);
instead of inherited createnew(aowner);
i get
Form resource te not found. For resourceless forms CreateNew constructor must be used. See the global variable RequireDerivedFormResource.
I have the exact setup on the rpi3b as on all my computers
compiled fpc-svn from fpc-3.0.4 and then compiled lazarus-svn
aggpas and fpgui all work
the only thing i can see different is that i am doing lazarus through vnc rather then directly on a hdmi tv
i don't have access to a hdmi tv any more so i can't test