can any one help me in my little programe here :/ pls guys

[RAW]

The world is big enough for both points of view.

DEFINITELY !!!
(... and so it's more fun ... )

As a matter of fact it doesn't belong everywhere in this world (but that is a pure personal view).

Yeah, there's too much in this world that doesn't belong here if you ask me !!! (.. in the future we will find a way to get rid of it... I believe that)
But you can ignore everything you don't like...
Energy follows always the view... (better than nothing ... )

[molly]

Hi valdir.marcos,

Thank you for expressing your opinion on this matter. It is appreciated and respected.

In general, i do not disagree with what you wrote.

Educational systems are not what they used to be, i do not know personal circumstances, age or background and as far as i am concerned, nor does it matter to know.

What does matter imho is motivation/eagerness. That is something that can't be teached. You either have it or not.

Nobody is able to teach another person how to code. The only person capable of doing so, is the person him/her-self.

The best another person is able to do is guide, give a corrections here and there and/or steer someone into the right direction. That can mean different things for different personalities.

But, in case a person does not show any motivation, ignores given advise, and shows no interest in provided help  whatsoever, then there comes a point when one has to draw a line. Someone that does not want to be helped, can't be helped. Not saying this is the case for TS perse. Thereby, i admit, my fuse is sometimes (too) short.

Although age helps in having a better understanding of yourself and the world around, it is not really a factor unless that card is played

I have seen the exact same behaviour expressed by people that really should know better and i also have seen 12-13 years that you can toss a book with mnemonics and who come back a month later showing their code that simply blows you away with ingenuity.

Just as yourself i have been blessed with very nice and capable persons that were around and were able to guide me when necessary. I also have been passing along what i've learned to others for as long as i can remember (and for those that want to hear it).

fwiw: adding up i spend more then 3 decades being sysop, admin and/or moderator on several different (support) boards, mostly related to software/hardware development and/or programming in general. Although not in any official capacity anymore, i still contribute. I won't bore you with my educational background as it is actually quite a mess simply because in my days there hardly were any relevant studies, so i had to make up for it later in life taking short studies. Nowadays, in my spare time, i teach elderly/retired people (well, a couple of years older then myself) how they can write/develop software and/or improve their already existing skills.

[valdir.marcos]

Hi molly.

I agree with you about motivation, and guidance, and the benefits of aging, and that nobody can't help somebody that does not want to be helped.

I hope whitehat improve him/herself both on attitude and studying.

Such as you, I will try to help him/her to improve his/her skills whenever is reasonable, but I will not do his/her homework for him/her.

[shobits1]

Just my opinion; members may think they are helping improve his/her skills but in fact they are just making the lazy even more lazzyyyyy
I'm sure, he/she has seen a variance of this problem in class... it's almost like, the read name and age of person then print it (example).

so PLZ,, do not help the lazy.

[mangakissa]

Just my opinion; members may think they are helping improve his/her skills but in fact they are just making the lazy even more lazzyyyyy
I'm sure, he/she has seen a variance of this problem in class... it's almost like, the read name and age of person then print it (example).

so PLZ,, do not help the lazy.

If people wants to learn 100% they try all kinds of things. That's a developer. Lazy people who must learning things they don't understand (and don't want too) are grateful (hopefully) with any peace of code they get. Okay, they learn nothing but your given code is working again. And you have proven yourself that you ARE the developer with the solution.

I'm very sure teachers give students links to find sample code / forums to help them out.
It's not a lazy thing. It's a choice to proven yourself (the student).

But only give a peace and not the whole source 

[valdir.marcos]

I'm very sure teachers give students links to find sample code / forums to help them out.
It's not a lazy thing. It's a choice to proven yourself (the student).

But only give a peace and not the whole source 

As the IT students' skills improve, teachers and professors will try to improve their autonomy targing professional real life. Exercises, pieces of code, links and forums on internet are tools for that goal.
In professional real life, sooner or later, all of us will need help about something simply because it's impossible that a human being knows everything his/her profession involves.
And, besides that, IT is an area of knowledge that evolves everyday...

[shobits1]

As the IT students' skills improve, teachers and professors will try to improve their autonomy targing professional real life. Exercises, pieces of code, links and forums on internet are tools for that goal.

From my experience; I can say, if you want really to improve you need to work hard/very hard.
I learned programing all by myself, my first program was in QBASIC (stumbled on it by chance) and it was a simple second degree equation solver; no one taught me just read some help file, understood the conditional instruction and everything came naturally; then I wanted to use loop so I can solve many equations without re-runing the program.....etc.
anyway this how I introduced my self to programing (in sense), after that, my curiosity exploded and started learning any language I find (asm, visual basic, javascript, c++, pascal, php, windev, clipper... etc) and to be honest my drive here was very wrong, I thought the language is what makes the program (newbe error) and such whenever I see program I like, I become interested in the language (dev framework) not the program itself,, it took me long time to realize that (that I was wrong); but I'm grateful.

SO, if he really was interested to improve,, he should have been able to solve the problem by himself... even more what if a teacher gave him this little program to hunt and solve the problem (the problem being a bug in the text generator).

in the end; don't get me wrong... I like helping people, because I really like to be helped when in need,, but they need to try and try hard first.

[RAW]

@shobits1:
Maybe you don't understand this kind of game...
Asking a question in a forum is the same thing as talking to a beautiful stranger.

Sometimes it's not working and you get nothing...
Sometimes it's working and you get a little bit...
Sometimes it's working and you get a lot more than you were asking for...

So there is only one mistake you can make:
NOT TRYING !!!