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[Thaddy]

There's also loads of commercial software that has been ported AWAY from Delphi, like most notably Skype!, AdAware, CCleaner (I believe, not sure) and a couple of others. For the Dutch market I know that for example most banks have moved from Delphi based products to something else. These latter ones all had 250.000 plus release volume (as in per release, so real volumes are in the millions). I am at liberty to say that f.e. ABNAMRO's consumer products were in Delphi but not anymore. I was involved in more such products but can't reveal them although most Dutch Delphi people know. On an international scale this scenario unfolded multiple times. It is safe to say that at one point (1999- at most 2005-8)most of the consumer banking software was written in Delphi. That just doesn't carry I high profile but the volumes are there. Most of it was converted to a web based solution. There is still a sh*t load of serverside services written in Delphi happilly running into old age in the Dutch, Belgian and namely British banking industry. I have no experience with the German situation, but I believe that would be likely similar. Note the Dutch banking regulator strongly advices against using "legacy tools" like Delphi, (This is DNB politely saying that it has to be replaced NOW for anything that in anyway has external exposure. In-house tools are still ok, I believe.),so for most of the things still running a replacement is planned / due.

[Thaddy]

I see Marco's point for using a dongle, but only in high cost/low volume situations. Otherwise it is also pointless (see f.e. lots of DSP studio software. If there is a high enough incentive for the dongle to be removed/circumvented it WILL be removed/circumvented.
Anything else leaves you with the wrong pair of glasses.

A dongle screams to be hacked. A such it is an Ostrich. Can't see any threats, so it works.
But low volume software is easily traceable in its market and miss-use would be exposed. Unless the intellectual property is such that it is insufficiently covered by legal means, i.e. no patent protection there is no point in using it.

[paweld]

TotalCommander x64 written in Lazarus.

[Thaddy]

TotalCommander x64 written in Lazarus.

Yup. But the funny thing I learned is that most sufficiently proficient Delphi or Lazarus developers wrote their own at some point Tell me that is true or not 

[Thaddy]

@Marco: I  owe you an apology: some of Cyco Software products indeed used a dongle of some sort. So essentially I DID use dongles in my PerfectView past. That was even with TP.
But, to my credit I have to inform you it was as pointless then as it is now.

[paweld]

@Thaddy: DoubleCommander? Dc is also written in Lazarus.

[Thaddy]

Or:

this is on top of my head and some were of course never published:

tdkcommander (in kol + delphi or fpc) (my humble attempt.)
topcommander (by Ivo Tops)
.....
 many more....

Many of those are never finished, so chears to the ones that were sufficiently polished to do so.

Point was: almost anyone had a go at it Even newbies. And it is the perfect challenge for intermediates.

[rtusrghsdfhsfdhsdfhsfdhs]

There's also loads of commercial software that has been ported AWAY from Delphi, like most notably Skype!, AdAware, CCleaner (I believe, not sure) and a couple of others. For the Dutch market I know that for example most banks have moved from Delphi based products to something else. These latter ones all had 250.000 plus release volume (as in per release, so real volumes are in the millions). I am at liberty to say that f.e. ABNAMRO's consumer products were in Delphi but not anymore. I was involved in more such products but can't reveal them although most Dutch Delphi people know. On an international scale this scenario unfolded multiple times. It is safe to say that at one point (1999- at most 2005-8)most of the consumer banking software was written in Delphi. That just doesn't carry I high profile but the volumes are there. Most of it was converted to a web based solution. There is still a sh*t load of serverside services written in Delphi happilly running into old age in the Dutch, Belgian and namely British banking industry. I have no experience with the German situation, but I believe that would be likely similar. Note the Dutch banking regulator strongly advices against using "legacy tools" like Delphi, (This is DNB politely saying that it has to be replaced NOW for anything that in anyway has external exposure. In-house tools are still ok, I believe.),so for most of the things still running a replacement is planned / due.

Legacy? So what did they use instead? QT? Please don't tell me C# is more secure than Delphi.

[mdalacu]

dmMediaConverter is written in Lazarus.     

[JD]

From a previous job I remember how the cycle works. It starts with beta-testers of the new windows complaining that your app looks "old". Then around the time that the new windows cycle is released, there is a lot publicity and it is about the only time the general manager wants to micromanage IT.

A decision is made that "something must be done" about the application "looking old", and Embarcadero friendly fills the management mailboxes with publicity about their new W10 release.   The suggestion from the programmers that changing the background color of the app is also a restyling is rejected.

Well, I've been usung Windows 10 for a couple of weeks now & my apps look great. Native controls, users can't tell the difference. Thank goodness for Lazarus/FreePascal.   

JD

[LA.Center]

I would imagine a lot of people are now using FPC and Lazarus.

Those people are just using it has hobby.

http://www.scootersoftware.com/
https://www.habarisoft.com/
http://www.brp-software.com/
http://www.djpdv.com.br/index.php
http://www.parkeer.com.br/
https://xerosys.com/
http://soft-practice.com/apps/simplegit
http://jpdbadmin.com/

if they're just using it as a hobby, it's a hobby that gets paid, it's gooooooooooooooooooooood

Nice try. Now show me a commercial application written with Free Pascal.
And yes Mitov Software dropped the support long ago due to lack of features and tons of bugs.

did not catch the entire thread but just want to make clear that:
xerosys.com was xerocoder.com and yes we use Lazarus for our xeroSDK and xeroCoder 4.3 (Legacy) and new xeroCoder 5 and it is a commercial app, you can find details @ xero.zone - xerosys.com we are editing to become a documentation and tutorials site.

If anyone would like to download XC 4.3 series here are the links:

xerocoder.com/live/xclivelin32.zip
xerocoder.com/live/xclivelin64.zip
xerocoder.com/live/xclivemac32.zip
xerocoder.com/live/xclivemac64.zip
xerocoder.com/live/xclivewin32.zip
xerocoder.com/live/xclivewin64.zip

XC 5 series will be available after Sep. 25, 2015

[JD]

The Brazilians & East Europeans are heavy Lazarus/Free Pascal users. I've seen many components & commercial applications coming from Brazil especially.

[rtusrghsdfhsfdhsdfhsfdhs]

Yea it sounds nice but FPC has too many bugs. Not even compatible with Delphi. Basic Delphi 7 compatibility. UTF16 is a whole other topic.
 
With Delphi I can alteast call support vs who do I call with Free Pascal?

[Cyrax]

Yea it sounds nice but FPC has too many bugs. Not even compatible with Delphi. Basic Delphi 7 compatibility. UTF16 is a whole other topic.

FPC is community driven project. Feel free to start fixing those bugs up. Or hire somebody to do it for you.

With Delphi I can alteast call support vs who do I call with Free Pascal?

Ask in forums/mailing list/IRC or hire somebody to do support for you? I do recall that there is one company which gives commercial support for FPC. Or maybe my memory fails in this matter?

[rtusrghsdfhsfdhsdfhsfdhs]

Why bother then if you can use Delphi? Do not get it.
Unless you want Linux but then you get like 0.1% of the market share.