whats the age of Lazarus users ?

[motaz]

I think Object Pascal is better be compared to C and C++. The development of C, C++ and their libraries are not going faster than Object Pascal language, so that by the time the differences could become more obvious and Object Pascal could win at last as a native and system language.

Java and dot net are eating RAM, and they depend on specific version of libraries or virtual machines, last week have I spent a lot of time persuading my remote customer to replace the old Fedora version by New version of Ubuntu because I failed to install Java 7 VM on it, only Java 6 was available and it is not compatible with my Java application, also I have spent a lot of time trying to install Juniper client which is  written in Java - as appeared- in Ubuntu without any success, and it does not work in Windows Vista 64 bit either, after many tries I have discovered that it does require JVM 32 bit along side with JVM 64 bit, so that cross-platform issue is not 100% accurate in Java or any other tool. Instead of solving the multi-platform issue, Java has introduced a new JVM platform conversioning issue.

Part of my project for the same customer is a web application and it is written in FreeSpider/Lazarus, but also I have problems of deployment, because I'm using Linux to develop that application and to produce Linux64 bit binary, then I have to reboot to Windows to connect remotely using Juniper client to my customer network, then to deploy, when I need to add a small feature, I have to reboot to Linux again, compile and reboot to Windows to deploy.

I think there is no Swiss army knife in software production, and there are always space for competition between these tools.

[motaz]

sorry, I noticed that I have been off-topic, about my last reply.

[Leledumbo]

it doesn't really mater how efficient easy or better pascal is, the truth is that pascal is not used very much in today's programming world everyone has his/her preferences with C being the go to language for all purpose development and java for multiplatform. Everything else is what the statisticians refer to as the rest. No one can predict the future but I can say with some certenty that cobol will not make a comeback and pascal at this point is on the road for the same but not there yet.

We, Indonesian Pascal evangelists (if I may say so), are creating our missing market in order to make Pascal returns to its fame by educating both employers and (candidate) employees. The market is easily formed by both. Employers need employees, employees need job from employers. Market doesn't come by itself, it's created. It's simple politics which many people can't just figure out.

[marcov]

Whatever which way, I think any convincing can be better done showing what can be done (and in what amount of time) than by comparing bullet points and counting google results.

[Windsurfer]

I have just moved into the top - oldest - group. It must have a faster rate of expansion than any other!

[Cyrax]

motaz: You can use virtualization for that. Use Windows VM and Unix VM (or host if you are running Windows/Unix OS) to develop and deployment.

[motaz]

Ctrax: I have tried once to use VirtualBox in Linux to install 32 bit Linux, but it was very slow, and my Laptop is bit old, Core 2 duo CPU (2.8 Ghz).
In the future if I get a new PC, I could apply your solution.
Thanks

[Edson Mello]

I am 50 years old.
Well, I began computer programming about 30 years ago, when I was in a college studding chemistry engeneering. Since, my firsts real programs were made in basic, clipper (I loved it), Delphi, more recently VB (I was obligated to study this one), when I had to rewrite each line made in Delphi program to VB, for each line I rewrote, one tear dropped. Make computer programs never was my main job, but I try to be in touch with the news about that. I do not have doubts, Lazarus is the best option to program using a friendly and free tool. Thank you for the excelent job.

BR, Edson

[motaz]

Cyrax

motaz: You can use virtualization for that. Use Windows VM and Unix VM (or host if you are running Windows/Unix OS) to develop and deployment.

I have bought a new laptop Toshiba l40, Core I 5, 8G Ram. Now I'm using Ubuntu as main OS, and Windows inside Virtual Box, now it is more easier to produce Linux/Windows versions of my software using Lazarus