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Announcements => Third party => Topic started by: mattias on October 19, 2020, 04:44:19 pm

Title: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: mattias on October 19, 2020, 04:44:19 pm
The new Lazarus Handbook is finally there!

Actually you get two books with a total of 935 pages. Massive.

https://www.blaisepascalmagazine.eu/product/lazarus-handbook-hardcover-presales/

I'm happy to announce that half of the profit goes to the Free Pascal and Lazarus foundation https://foundation.freepascal.org/.
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: hansotten on October 19, 2020, 05:20:35 pm
The new Lazarus Handbook is finally there!
Do you try to tell us you have the books in your hand? Did they finally ship?

(waiting since october 2, was told shipped october 5 to the Netherlands)

I enjoy the PDF btw! Helps me a lot.

Hans
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: mattias on October 19, 2020, 05:37:44 pm
Yes, I got my copies today.
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: Ñuño_Martínez on October 19, 2020, 07:20:11 pm
That's a big book. :o Remembers me the Pascal book by Luís Joyanes Aguilar, an insane tome hard to manage.  I hope this Lazarus Bible is as useful as Luís' one.

Sadly I can't buy it now.  :(
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: lucamar on October 19, 2020, 07:54:54 pm
I'm happy to announce that half of the profit goes to the Free Pascal and Lazarus foundation https://foundation.freepascal.org/.

Frankly speaking, I would rather prefer to pay half the current price for the book and decide on my own if, when, and how much to give to the foundation.

As it is, they are too pricey for me. I mean, 50 eur. for a PDF, same as for the softcover? :o
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: ASBzone on October 19, 2020, 10:19:02 pm
The new Lazarus Handbook is finally there!


Nice!
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: PeterEvans on October 20, 2020, 12:19:12 am
From the excerpts I have seen the two volumes appear comprehensive.
My only concern is about the price for the PDF option.

I hope they reconsider the price and lower it. 50 Euro is too expensive for me. The price of PDF should be much lower than the hard copy.
Shipping a physical book is problematic right now due to Covid-19. Yesterday I received an airmail package from UK. It took  five (5) months, twelve (12) days to arrive! That is slower than ships took in the 1700s.
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: trev on October 20, 2020, 12:43:59 am
As it is, they are too pricey for me. I mean, 50 eur. for a PDF, same as for the softcover? :o

Yes - the price seems somewhat excessive for a PDF (though I "pre-ordered" well over a year ago at the cheaper price of ~33 euro). I sent corrections to the interim PDFs that never made it into the final which was disappointing and confirmed that I should continue to devote my time to improving the wiki which is available to all for the cost of an Internet connection (though it could be exported as a book too - see for example PDFBook (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PdfBook)).

I checked how much I paid for the printed tome Mastering Delphi 5 by Marco Cantu in 1999 (similar page count) and it was the equivalent of 50 euro ($A 84) - adjusted for Australian inflation, today's price would be 87 euro ($A 145) which helps put the price into some perspective.
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: valdir.marcos on October 20, 2020, 05:02:38 am
That's a big book. :o Remembers me the Pascal book by Luís Joyanes Aguilar, an insane tome hard to manage.  I hope this Lazarus Bible is as useful as Luís' one.
Which one?
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Luis+Joyanes+Aguilar&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: jwdietrich on October 20, 2020, 09:37:05 am
Do you try to tell us you have the books in your hand? Did they finally ship?

Yes, the printed version is shipping, see https://twitter.com/SciPasTips/status/1316830447997980673?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SciPasTips/status/1316830447997980673?s=20).
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: nachoap on October 20, 2020, 10:03:22 am
Nice work!

I think it's a good price. Paying 50 euros you have the soft cover book and the pdf, and half of the profit goes to Lazarus Foundation.

I've been programming with Lazarus for almost ten years, all the time for free. I think this is a good way to collaborate with this excellent project.
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: kupferstecher on October 21, 2020, 04:49:17 pm
I hope they reconsider the price and lower it. 50 Euro is too expensive for me. The price of PDF should be much lower than the hard copy.
You mostly have to pay for the contents, less for the printing.

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Shipping a physical book is problematic right now due to Covid-19. Yesterday I received an airmail package from UK. It took  five (5) months, twelve (12) days to arrive! That is slower than ships took in the 1700s.
For 75 EUR+VAT (50EUR+Shipment+VAT) you get the softcover plus PDF. So shipment time shouldn't be a deal-breaker, as you have the PDF immediately.

For the scale of the book and considering the limited target group the price is not too expensive, I think.
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there I will buy the books now...
Post by: Robert William Blennerhed on October 24, 2020, 08:36:30 am
This is a great way to really support the foundation as You but,

I would rather seen the books in ebook pdf format, where you can do add-ins, that we could also pay for in the future and support the foundation.
It would be easier for you to handle bugs in the text of the books also, like Chapter 9 Application Buildding Blocks!  Building with two 'd' ?

It would be nicer to have the two books on the Tablet instead. I would still be paying the full price for the books on pdf.

But. Good works of yours.
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there I will buy the books now...
Post by: jwdietrich on October 24, 2020, 09:02:31 am
I would rather seen the books in ebook pdf format, where you can do add-ins, that we could also pay for in the future and support the foundation.

It is available as eBook, see https://www.blaisepascalmagazine.eu/product/lazarus-handbook-pdf/ (https://www.blaisepascalmagazine.eu/product/lazarus-handbook-pdf/).
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there more bugs in the text
Post by: Robert William Blennerhed on October 24, 2020, 09:29:31 am
Great. Does this version also support the Lazarus foundation? Because it is a cheap price for the work You put into it

You must do more serious correction, I'm afraid.
Chapter 13. Database Dekstop!!! Desktop it should be.

But i will buy the ebook.
/Bob
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: Robert William Blennerhed on October 24, 2020, 09:49:26 am
Thank you. Your order has been received.

Order number:-
Date: 24th October 2020
Email: -
Total: € 54.50
Payment method: -
Payment completed by Robert Blennerhed

Thanks for the book.
Best regards
Bob from Sweden
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: Ñuño_Martínez on October 24, 2020, 11:59:52 am
That's a big book. :o Remembers me the Pascal book by Luís Joyanes Aguilar, an insane tome hard to manage.  I hope this Lazarus Bible is as useful as Luís' one.
Which one?
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Luis+Joyanes+Aguilar&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
The one I read was a newer version of this one.  He dropped any reference to Turbo Pascal and added a few examples using Lazarus' LCL, but focuses in Free Pascal:
https://www.amazon.com/Programacion-Pascal-Ed-Precio-Dolares/dp/B00C4V7X6C/ref=sr_1_53?dchild=1&keywords=Luis+Joyanes+Aguilar&qid=1603533263&sr=8-53

Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: jwdietrich on October 25, 2020, 09:48:22 am
A paperback version is now available, too: https://twitter.com/SciPasTips/status/1320090433029111809 (https://twitter.com/SciPasTips/status/1320090433029111809)
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: GypsyPrince on October 27, 2020, 06:51:42 am
My paperback version just arrived today, almost 2 months after ordering it on September 12.
It was shipped to the U.S., so that was understandable. Originally, I was upset because of the immense length of time between when the handbook was first announced and when it was actually published.
 
However, after receiving my copy and viewing the amazing quality and brevity of the content inside, I now understand why it took so long to get it to market. It is definitely worth the wait.
 
I would like to say bravo to all those involved with the handbook's publication and production. It is truly an amazing product and reference.
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: nachoap on October 29, 2020, 12:16:14 pm
I've received my paper book less than a week after I've bought it. And I live in Spain. Really fast!

Thank you very much!
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: PJW on November 16, 2020, 02:37:17 am
I'm happy to announce that half of the profit goes to the Free Pascal and Lazarus foundation https://foundation.freepascal.org/.

Frankly speaking, I would rather prefer to pay half the current price for the book and decide on my own if, when, and how much to give to the foundation.

As it is, they are too pricey for me. I mean, 50 eur. for a PDF, same as for the softcover? :o

Please note that it's half the PROFITS, not half the purchase price.   I suspect that foregoing the donation to FPLF would probably only lower the price by a Euro or two.
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: GypsyPrince on November 22, 2020, 06:33:22 am
@lucamar

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Frankly speaking, I would rather prefer to pay half the current price for the book and decide on my own if, when, and how much to give to the foundation.

So, you want to only purchase the book and determine on your own how much (if any at all) to give to the foundation... without which there would not be a book for you to purchase to begin with.
 
You want to pay only enough to cover the cost of the food you eat, and want to decide if you help pay the mortgage and utility bills of the restaurant which serves you that food.
 
Think about that for a bit.
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: lucamar on November 22, 2020, 07:28:44 am
Since it's *not* PJW whom you're quoting but I ...
 
So, you want to only purchase the book and determine on your own how much (if any at all) to give to the foundation... without which there would not be a book for you to purchase to begin with.
 
You want to pay only enough to cover the cost of the food you eat, and want to decide if you help pay the mortgage and utility bills of the restaurant which serves you that food.
 
Think about that for a bit.

I don't need to think about it, I already did. Was it really the foundation who wrote the book? I have the impression that it was some people who wrote it and, as with any book I buy, I'm perfectly willing to pay its authors whatever part of the book's price it represents.

The same with the restaurant: I'm completely aware that the prices I pay don't go only to buy the food. What I wouldn't like is that what is normally a 20 eur, meal would cost me 40 eur. because "half goes to some charity the owner is very fond of". I very much prefer to decide which charities, foundations, and what not get my money, how much of that money they get and that they get it directly from me.

It would be different if BPM said: "This book is normally and fairly priced but we want you to know that we, out of our own heart, will give half of our proceeds to the FPF". But that's not what is happening, is it? Because then they wouldn't sell you a PDF at the same price that a softcover.

But, of course, all that is my personal preference; YMMV As I, myself, you're perfectly free to think whatever you want.
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: GypsyPrince on November 22, 2020, 06:15:41 pm
The Lazarus Foundation produces the Lazarus software, without which, there would not be the Lazarus handbook you are purchasing. Just as the restaurant prepares the meal you order to ingest...

No financial support/donations => No Lazarus Foundation => No Lazarus Software => No Lazarus Handbook
Title: Re: The new Lazarus Bible is there
Post by: PascalDragon on November 22, 2020, 06:22:07 pm
The Foundation does not produce either FPC nor Lazarus. Both are completely open source projects driven by hobby developers. The Foundation is there to provide incentives (with money) for developers to work on specific projects instead of only working on what they want to work on.
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