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Title: Pascal at your Country
Post by: braximo on September 19, 2011, 12:11:55 pm
Hello community!

I'm just curious how is Pascal (in terms of Job popularity) in your country? In the Philippines, it is somehow NOT that in-demand. In the market share of the PL being preferred by hiring employers (in the Philippines), less than 5% of them are looking for Pascal developers which is really sad. At my work place, I shifted to Lazarus/FPC from MS which was what they usually use.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: BlueIcaro on September 19, 2011, 12:36:48 pm
I Spain, there aren't any job for Pascal Programmers. The jobs offerer are for .net (asp, c#, etc). java, web, etc. Some works, a few, are for Delphi programmers. But nothing for Lazarus.

/BlueIcaro

P.D. May be, this is the reason that I don't work as PC's programmer  :-[

Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: kodok_buncit on September 19, 2011, 12:39:55 pm
i'm Indonesia
the situation is same as BlueIcairo

i work as php programmer in my office and coding freepascal at home :D
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: TurboRascal on September 19, 2011, 01:19:27 pm
Here in Croatia there is some demand for Pascal programmers, because Delphi used to be extremely popular so there is still much Delphi codebase. Unfortunately, the market is dying because M$ stuff has become dominant...
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: herux on September 19, 2011, 03:51:38 pm
I am indonesian, I work as a programmer delphi and/or Lazarus/FreePascal.
yes we use both  8)
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Leledumbo on September 19, 2011, 06:26:26 pm
In Indonesia as well, it's really MS (.NET) and Java slave. PHP ranks next, then VB, C/C++ and also some Delphi. I've only seen Lazarus/FPC once in a while (from blind googling), which I couldn't find the job offer anymore anywhere.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Rails on September 19, 2011, 06:57:52 pm
Typing pascal into monster.com's job search returned 125 job hits in the US. I did not look at all of them, so some could be misleading, i.e, pascal is part of the business name, etc. The few I did look at appeared to be the real thing, Delphi jobs in the main.

Other languages:

F#              740
Cobol         305
Fortran        69
Modula          0    (all flavors)
Smalltalk     15
Oberon          0
Algol             0
Lisp             26
Erlang         23

Popular languages such as C, C++, PHP, Python, Java, Perl, etc all returned 1,000+

Languages with names such as forth, basic, and ada have other meanings and did not provide reliable numbers.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Dibo on September 19, 2011, 07:12:52 pm
In Poland I did not have much trouble to find a job in Delphi. I know 6 companies in my region that use Delphi. But of course Pascal it is not the most popular language.
Some time ago I saw job offer which mentioned about Lazarus and Free Pascal but too far :/
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Sora-Kun on September 19, 2011, 08:42:24 pm
We have none in Tunisia xD
It's because programming is still new here, and people want to use the most powerful languages like C++ and Java, also WinDev.

We learn pascal in high school, and @ university, we learn C/C++, Java, PHP,  etc, so people generally forget how to deal with Pascal.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: mas steindorff on September 19, 2011, 10:24:17 pm
Likewise, it also hard for find someone who has any pascal coding experience for entry level positions.  The schools in this area (USA) all teach "wed design" and cloud related software to keep on the cutting edge making it difficult to find a real programmer :).  Most of my peer's view is that pascal is good for small and medium level programs but you should use one of the MS tools for big windoze projects.

In reality, for most users Pascal is a tool, not an occupation, especially for windoze.  The companies around here that create supported software want a compiler that has customer support and "out of house" training so their software produces will not stagnate.  They have full time software teams that deal with windoze updates on a weekly level and want something that will automatically fix itself if possible (one can dream).  I see this attitude slowly changing as they look at the popularity of the non-MS OS of the smart phones and tablets (cloud) but not directly in the FP direction (today).

FP is headed in the right direction with it's multi OS support. just waiting for rev 1.00 :)
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Zaher on September 20, 2011, 06:50:27 pm
In Syria and most Arabic countries, Pascal/Delphi is dead, programmers work on Pascal are like Dinosaurs.
For me i will not learn Pascal to my kids.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: marcov on September 20, 2011, 10:17:10 pm
I work in a Pascal/Delphi shop in the Netherlands.

But when we search new programmers, we advertise for C++ people, simply because we know that way that we get people somewhat close to the level we search
... and not Java/VB/C# people that don't know anything else. Or worse, people only knowing scripting languages.

Don't buy into rankings too much. People advertise for classes of programmers, and less for the language itself.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: fredycc on September 21, 2011, 03:48:55 am
In my country, Mexico is the same case: Java Developer J2EE, SAP Basis,. Net, PHP, Ruby on Rails Developers are the most wanted, I work with. Net in the company where I work, but I use Pascal (Delphi or Lazarus) in other projects in my work or personal projects very useful for my work.

I work with MS SQL Server, but when I can I prefer to use Firebird and SQLite. In my opinion the same applies to programming languages.

Currently working on an SMS system for collecting payments VB.Net (for labor issues), but nothing that can not do with Lazarus and FPC or Delphi.

I love this great project  :)
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: TurboRascal on September 26, 2011, 11:32:30 am
The companies around here that create supported software want a compiler that has customer support and "out of house" training so their software produces will not stagnate.  They have full time software teams that deal with windoze updates on a weekly level and want something that will automatically fix itself if possible (one can dream). 

How wrong they are... Many "supported" products have gone into oblivion creating headaches for their users. It almost happened with Delphi too! Lazarus and FreePascal can never leave someone hanging like that, that's the magic of open source - even if all this becomes abandoned (perish the thought), a large software project could still compile and fix the tool they used themselves!

FP is headed in the right direction with it's multi OS support. just waiting for rev 1.00 :)

I guess you mean, Lazarus 1.00, not FP ;)
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: mas steindorff on September 26, 2011, 07:22:43 pm
The companies around here that create supported software want a compiler that has customer support and "out of house" training so their software produces will not stagnate.  They have full time software teams that deal with windoze updates on a weekly level and want something that will automatically fix itself if possible (one can dream). 

How wrong they are... Many "supported" products have gone into oblivion creating headaches for their users.
I agree (but then I claim to be a firmware programmer, not software)

FP is headed in the right direction with it's multi OS support. just waiting for rev 1.00 :)

I guess you mean, Lazarus 1.00, not FP ;)
yes, it's just a little jab,  It's the Rev a new user sees when he gets this pascel stuff from sourceforge
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: felipemdc on September 26, 2011, 08:00:26 pm
In Poland I did not have much trouble to find a job in Delphi. I know 6 companies in my region that use Delphi. But of course Pascal it is not the most popular language.
Some time ago I saw job offer which mentioned about Lazarus and Free Pascal but too far :/

Really? Which companies/locations? And where and in which company was the job offer for Lazarus/FPC?
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: xinyiman on October 07, 2011, 10:04:24 am
In Italy the same thing, I know of only 3 people including myself who plan to FP / Lazarus. The programming languages ​​are used. Net, Java, C + +. I opened a 3d to combine everyone's ideas to try to increase attention to the lazarus project, give your contribution.

http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,14885.0.html
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: marcov on October 07, 2011, 10:32:51 am
I guess you mean, Lazarus 1.00, not FP ;)
yes, it's just a little jab,  It's the Rev a new user sees when he gets this pascel stuff from sourceforge

Nope. http://sourceforge.net/projects/freepascal/files/Win32/2.4.4/
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Dibo on February 23, 2012, 08:09:36 pm
In Poland I did not have much trouble to find a job in Delphi. I know 6 companies in my region that use Delphi. But of course Pascal it is not the most popular language.
Some time ago I saw job offer which mentioned about Lazarus and Free Pascal but too far :/

Really? Which companies/locations? And where and in which company was the job offer for Lazarus/FPC?
Sorry for late. This is the offer (outdated). You must use some translator from polish to english ;)
http://www.pracuj.pl/praca/programista-pascal-delphi-poznan,oferta+archiwalna,2176494
And this is location:
http://maps.google.pl/maps?q=Polska,+Pozna%C5%84&hl=pl&ie=UTF8&sll=52.46103,16.98349&sspn=0.477779,1.352692&hnear=Pozna%C5%84,+Wielkopolskie&t=m&z=11
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: avra on February 24, 2012, 09:26:15 am
I agree (but then I claim to be a firmware programmer, not software)
Just curious, do you use Pascal for firmware development and what platform is your target?
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: mas steindorff on March 19, 2012, 06:42:55 pm
sorry for the delay, i didn't see the post till today.
Just curious, do you use Pascal for firmware development and what platform is your target?
I use pascal on my windows system to (pre) test the interface I present from the firmware.  that way I can test all of the firmware and not just what the end software presents to the end user.  this approach also helps to isolate the source of bugs (software or firmware) since the test software is a independent test.

that was true until my last project, where I put in some tacharts and started graphing stuff instead of using my normal the "matrix " type display.  Management saw how much faster and easier the pascal code ran compared to python and are now releasing the software as a development aid for beta testers.  Another engineer has also come out of the closet and confessed to being able to program in pascal once he saw how simuler the Lazarus IDE is to the old Delphi IDE.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: poiuyt555 on April 24, 2013, 08:57:14 am
Now, here in Russia, with Lazarus i think the same:
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it is somehow NOT that in-demand.

In database development area extremely popular 1C:Enterprise 8 - very powerful system.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: avatar on May 24, 2013, 12:07:45 pm
Haven't heard of Lazarus projects here (Philippines) but I've definitely dealt with a few Delphi-related work
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Leledumbo on May 24, 2013, 03:18:05 pm
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Haven't heard of Lazarus projects here (Philippines) but I've definitely dealt with a few Delphi-related work
Feel free to spread ;)
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Graeme on May 24, 2013, 05:26:39 pm
There are Delphi jobs in the UK too - more specifically London. But what is very sad is the salary. I just looked. 5+ years of Delphi experience will give you a £24k per year salary. Then I did a search for Java in London. A fresh graduate programmer, no work experience gets a starting salary of £30k per year!  :(
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: md9projeto on May 17, 2018, 03:14:00 am
Surprised to to see Brazil here.
In Brazil DElphi is still heavily used,but terceirization is killing us.
Sometimes you have to know Pascal and more 3 languages to find a job.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Thaddy on May 17, 2018, 09:14:42 am
There are Delphi jobs in the UK too - more specifically London. But what is very sad is the salary. I just looked. 5+ years of Delphi experience will give you a £24k per year salary. Then I did a search for Java in London. A fresh graduate programmer, no work experience gets a starting salary of £30k per year!  :(
Well - from my own experience a few years ago - when a Delphi programmer has also qualifications for the financial industries on at least a lesser degree level (b.sc /b.a or equivalent in e.g. economics as well as programming skills) you could get 80.000+ not that long ago, on contract. Maybe that changed. There is a lot of Delphi software still running in the City and Edinburgh.
Same goes for the Netherlands. But as I wrote: it needs more that just programming skills. It needs thorough understanding of the field of work, in my case stock and currency trading.
As an aside: try COBOL jobs if you want a decent reward... I still get approached for jobs in the financial industry for my COBOL skills, no need to apply....(I wish I was able to work, which I am not, due to Lyme damage)
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: md9projeto on May 17, 2018, 01:51:58 pm
See,Job ads like these are normal in Brazil.
Superior em conclusão em Sistema de Informação e afins.
Desenvolvimento de software na linguagem Delphi Pascal / Java (Ângular) / PHP.
Desenvolvimento de relatórios na ferramenta Cristal Report’s ou Quick Report.
Metodologia Ágil.
Atividades: As atividades a serem realizadas pelo profissional devem ser com total responsabilidade, eficiência e qualidade.
Disponibilidade de início imediato.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: JD on May 17, 2018, 01:58:46 pm
There are Delphi jobs in the UK too - more specifically London. But what is very sad is the salary. I just looked. 5+ years of Delphi experience will give you a £24k per year salary. Then I did a search for Java in London. A fresh graduate programmer, no work experience gets a starting salary of £30k per year!  :(
(I wish I was able to work, which I am not, due to Lyme damage)

I'm really sorry to learn of that. I have a friend that also has Lyme disease. I really hope you can get the medical relief you need.

JD
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Thaddy on May 17, 2018, 03:41:36 pm
I'm really sorry to learn of that. I have a friend that also has Lyme disease. I really hope you can get the medical relief you need.
If you or your family members ever get bitten by a tick, go to your GP immediately. Don't ignore it because you are a "man" and ignore any visible large round blue and purple circles around an insect bite.
In Western Europe ticks are an increasing problem and can do serious harm to your nervous system and to your bones.
Explain to the GP there need not be visible anti-bodies - some of them still don't know. That's old school. Lyme can hide in soft and vainless (bloodless) tissue and can go undetected for years. In my case it was only found in a university hospital (AMC), not based on blood tests but by other means ( a needle is still involved)
I was just bloody stubborn....But treatment goes very well, although there is some irreparable damage. No real brain damage (which could also have been the case!!) , some nerve damage and knee problems.
I hope moderators leave this warning in! Almost summer.
I hope your friend will be OK.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: JD on May 17, 2018, 03:58:25 pm
I'm really sorry to learn of that. I have a friend that also has Lyme disease. I really hope you can get the medical relief you need.
If you or your family members ever get bitten by a tick, go to your GP immediately. Don't ignore it because you are a "man" and ignore any visible large round blue and purple circles around an insect bite.
In Western Europe ticks are an increasing problem and can do serious harm to your nervous system and to your bones.
Explain to the GP there need not be visible anti-bodies - some of them still don't know. That's old school. Lyme can hide in soft and vainless (bloodless) tissue and can go undetected for years. In my case it was only found in a university hospital (AMC), not based on blood tests but by other means ( a needle is still involved)
I was just bloody stubborn....But treatment goes very well, although there is some irreparable damage. No real brain damage (which could also have been the case!!) , some nerve damage and knee problems.
I hope moderators leave this warning in! Almost summer.
I hope your friend will be OK.

Thanks for the info and the advice. Much appreciated.

JD
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Phil on May 17, 2018, 11:44:44 pm
I was just bloody stubborn....

I don't know if anyone has seen this documentary, but it's interesting in at least a couple ways: Hanna's place in pop music history, but also in showing the aftermath of her long struggle with late-stage Lyme disease, which had gone undiagnosed for years:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1785612
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Ildus03 on June 27, 2019, 09:19:10 pm
Hi! I am from Russia. I am 15 years old, so I can not say much about the work of a programmer in our country. But I try to work as a freelancer and among the vacancies I almost never saw Delphi/Pascal / Lazarus, but one thing is for sure, Pascal.net is taught in our schools, also in 10-11 mortar is taught Lazarus (superficially). And you?
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: trev on June 28, 2019, 02:46:36 am
In Australia, I count 4 Delphi jobs available on our largest job website. One DB admin had required experience including Lazarus (is there another product with this name?) and one job requiring a background in .Net, Pascal, Visual Basic which was the only reference to Pascal.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: ssliackus on July 16, 2019, 11:20:53 pm
Hello community!

I'm just curious how is Pascal (in terms of Job popularity) in your country? In the Philippines, it is somehow NOT that in-demand. In the market share of the PL being preferred by hiring employers (in the Philippines), less than 5% of them are looking for Pascal developers which is really sad. At my work place, I shifted to Lazarus/FPC from MS which was what they usually use.

Answer is very simple - 39 (as for pascal 19) in UK. From this point, it is dead language :-(
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: marcov on July 17, 2019, 11:47:31 am
Such analysis really provides a distorted picture. There is a fundamental bias to such analysis in that companies hiring people for minority languages are less likely to use very general channels dedicated to mainstream skills.

Many such companies are not just straight business IT anyway, and then also such sites for IT automatons are a bad match.
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: Thaddy on July 17, 2019, 12:42:10 pm
Such analysis really provides a distorted picture. There is a fundamental bias to such analysis in that companies hiring people for minority languages are less likely to use very general channels dedicated to mainstream skills.

Many such companies are not just straight business IT anyway, and then also such sites for IT automatons are a bad match.

Yes,  nowadays it is more likely a recruiter that directly contacts you in my experience. Especially in Finance IT. (There is frankly a huge shortage and lots of Delphi is still used, even for new projects)
Aside: That daily figure is broadly correct for specialists/seniors with extra knowledge about the branch they do the IT for. 
E.g. with stock trading  it is nice if you also are a certified trader yourself.  In such cases you can get up to 600-800 euro a day as a freelance. I wish I could still accept such offers... :(

Make sure you can be found!
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: mdbs99 on August 04, 2019, 08:01:19 pm
Such analysis really provides a distorted picture. There is a fundamental bias to such analysis in that companies hiring people for minority languages are less likely to use very general channels dedicated to mainstream skills.

Many such companies are not just straight business IT anyway, and then also such sites for IT automatons are a bad match.

Hi Marco,
Where do you indicate to search jobs for Object Pascal (Delphi or Lazarus) then?
(maybe you can tell us a little bit more about your company in Netherlands, which I know just the beautiful Amsterdam)
If I see a position about C++ I would never apply, if I'm looking for a Pascal position. My thinking always was: "they are looking for a C++ expert developer, rather anyone that knows another (similar) language".

I'm not sure about Pascal jobs in Brazil, but I guess that might be tiny comparing with the mainstream.
I've been working at the same company (using Delphi 7) for years; I also have my own company consulting/freelancer that works exclusively using Lazarus and DBMS; finally, I've been working remotely for LiveMon which uses FPC too. So, I don't search (much) for new positions, but I would like to see more of them. That may increase the use of Object Pascal.

I'm still thinking that a website only for Pascal positions around the world could be a good idea. What do you, guys, think?

best regards,
Title: Re: Pascal at your Country
Post by: mr-highball on August 05, 2019, 02:28:42 am
Here in the US pascal 9-5 positions are almost unheard of. I worked professionally for about 7 years doing pascal for the medical industry, but outside of that it seems pretty niche (probably for companies who started late 80's - early 90's) and it was delphi, not fpc.
Mostly you'll find c#/javascript work because everyone needs a damn web app...

What's also a little surprising to me is that the c++ positions are dwindling as well (currently work professionally doing simulations work with c++), not sure if this is the case elsewhere...
pascal (fpc) is still my language of choice outside of work, so as far as I'm concerned it's not going anywhere as long as people still enjoy it (which I very much do)