Lazarus
Announcements => Third party => Topic started by: igor.klopov on August 24, 2012, 06:13:31 pm
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Hello, Lazarus community!
Raudus is a framework for building web applications for PC browsers and mobile devices.
Since version 0.9.0 it has support for Lazarus. Raudus package contains two project types and a controls tab "Raudus".
Screenshots:
http://www.raudus.com/custom/screenshots/RaVCL2.png (http://www.raudus.com/custom/screenshots/RaVCL2.png)
http://www.raudus.com/custom/screenshots/RaVCL3.png (http://www.raudus.com/custom/screenshots/RaVCL3.png)
http://www.raudus.com/custom/screenshots/RaVCL4.png (http://www.raudus.com/custom/screenshots/RaVCL4.png)
Here is the brief overview of Raudus:
http://www.raudus.com/lang-pref/en/
Instruction how to install Raudus into Lazarus:
http://raudus.wikispaces.com/Install+in+Lazarus
Thank you.
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Is everything in the front page still applies on Linux? i.e. it works, but no WYSIWYG designer yet.
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Is everything in the front page still applies on Linux? i.e. it works, but no WYSIWYG designer yet.
Yes. Everything works on Linux, except WYSIWYG. Now i am looking for ways to implement WYSIWYG.
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very impressiv and great work
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This is very good news. I've tried it with Delphi in the past. I hope it becomes a viable alternative to ExtPascal. :D
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Yes. Everything works on Linux, except WYSIWYG. Now i am looking for ways to implement WYSIWYG.
I'll wait till that time. Why can't you make WYSIWYG editor for all platforms? Do you use WinAPI extensively instead of LCL/VCL?
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I can't install it in Lazarus 1.1/FPC 2.6.1 svn 38265 on Win32. I got the error message below:
(1,1) Fatal: Can not find RaudusFPC used by Lazarus, ppu=C:\Program Files\Raudus\bin\laz09304\i386-win32\RaudusFPC.ppu, package RaudusFPC
Any suggestions?
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seems only for 0.9.30.2/0.9.30.4
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Raudus supplies only .ppu files in the package (no sources), so is completely specific to the compiler version and Lazarus release the supplied distribution was compiled for,
i. e. the two releases Mica indicates (Raudus provides two packages in two appropriately named directories).
Unfortuately the example programs are all installed in a Program Files (x86) subdirectory, which means Windows won't let you compile them, so they have to be copied elsewhere before you can make progress.
Howard
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Yes. Everything works on Linux, except WYSIWYG. Now i am looking for ways to implement WYSIWYG.
I'll wait till that time. Why can't you make WYSIWYG editor for all platforms? Do you use WinAPI extensively instead of LCL/VCL?
"Everything works on Linux" means that Raudus runtime is 100% crossplatform. Designtime WYSIWYG is built on Chromium Embedded Framework (http://code.google.com/p/chromiumembedded/). CEF has "offscreen" mode only in Windows (http://code.google.com/p/chromiumembedded/source/browse/trunk/cef1/include/internal/cef_win.h). In Linux there is no "offscreen" mode (http://code.google.com/p/chromiumembedded/source/browse/trunk/cef1/include/internal/cef_linux.h), reqired by WYSIWYG. Probably, i will try to use Berkelium (http://berkelium.org/) for Linux separately. But this may take time.
seems only for 0.9.30.2/0.9.30.4
In next release i will try to compile for all recent versions.
Unfortuately the example programs are all installed in a Program Files (x86) subdirectory, which means Windows won't let you compile them, so they have to be copied elsewhere before you can make progress.
Right. Just copy 'bin' and 'examples' to your user folder. In next release Raudus Installer will do it for you :) Thank you.
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OK. I'm looking forward to your recompilation for Lazarus 1.0 / 1.1
Keep up the good work.
JD
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OK. I'm looking forward to your recompilation for Lazarus 1.0 / 1.1
I'll wait for the source code instead :p
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Really great work!
Regards.
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OK. I'm looking forward to your recompilation for Lazarus 1.0 / 1.1
I'll wait for the source code instead :p
I hope so but I remember that many Delphi components are distributed without the source code. Maybe that will happen also with Lazarus/FPC components. :(
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I hope so but I remember that many Delphi components are distributed without the source code. Maybe that will happen also with Lazarus/FPC components.
Well, the author is in this thread. Let's hope he will provide it as well :)
Not many Lazarus components are closed source, only a few to my knowledge (even the commercial ones provide source code sometimes).
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I hope so but I remember that many Delphi components are distributed without the source code. Maybe that will happen also with Lazarus/FPC components.
Well, the author is in this thread. Let's hope he will provide it as well :)
Not many Lazarus components are closed source, only a few to my knowledge (even the commercial ones provide source code sometimes).
I don't believe there are many Delphi components left that are binary-only distributions. Can you name one?
As a general rule, I never create a Pascal program without full source for all components.
Thanks.
-Phil
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I hope so but I remember that many Delphi components are distributed without the source code. Maybe that will happen also with Lazarus/FPC components.
Well, the author is in this thread. Let's hope he will provide it as well :)
Not many Lazarus components are closed source, only a few to my knowledge (even the commercial ones provide source code sometimes).
I don't believe there are many Delphi components left that are binary-only distributions. Can you name one?
As a general rule, I never create a Pascal program without full source for all components.
Thanks.
-Phil
Off the cuff look at the freeware version of NextGrid5. It is a binary only distribution. There are others on Torry's Delphi Pages.
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Off the cuff look at the freeware version of NextGrid5. There are many others on Torry's Delphi Pages.
Never heard of it.
I'll bet the source _is_ available for a non freeware version though. Not the case for Raudus apparently.
Thanks.
-Phil
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Off the cuff look at the freeware version of NextGrid5. There are many others on Torry's Delphi Pages.
Never heard of it.
I'll bet the source _is_ available for a non freeware version though. Not the case for Raudus apparently.
Thanks.
-Phil
NextGrid5 http://www.bergsoft.net/component/next-grid/overview.htm (http://www.bergsoft.net/component/next-grid/overview.htm)
I used it with Delphi 7 but abandoned it when there were no compiled versions for Delphi 2007 upwards.
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NextGrid5 http://www.bergsoft.net/component/next-grid/overview.htm (http://www.bergsoft.net/component/next-grid/overview.htm)
"Full source and all future updates" when you purchase it, as I suspected.
Thanks.
-Phil
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Guys, the problem with Ext (Sencha) is the licensing, we were trying to use Sencha products but stumbled on licensing issues, when we asked about Raudus license we did not get any answer back. So I am not sure if Raudus is complying to Sencha license.
So it is very unclear, and I would certainly be cautious before investing time and money in Ext (Sencha) related products like ExtPascal and Raudus etc.
http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,12896.msg94252.html#msg94252
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Guys, the problem with Ext (Sencha) is the licensing, we were trying to use Sencha products but stumbled on licensing issues, when we asked about Raudus license we did not get any answer back. So I am not sure if Raudus is complying to Sencha license.
So it is very unclear, and I would certainly be cautious before investing time and money in Ext (Sencha) related products like ExtPascal and Raudus etc.
http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,12896.msg94252.html#msg94252
Ext JS licensing has always been pretty clear:
http://www.sencha.com/products/extjs/license/
Thanks.
-Phil
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So it is very unclear, and I would certainly be cautious before investing time and money in Ext (Sencha) related products like ExtPascal and Raudus etc.
Raudus does not use Sencha controls anymore. It has it's own front-end control set called "RaVCL" (similar to VCL/LCL). Hence, when Raudus becomes commercial, you will deal with Raudus license only.
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So it is very unclear, and I would certainly be cautious before investing time and money in Ext (Sencha) related products like ExtPascal and Raudus etc.
Raudus does not use Sencha controls anymore. It has it's own front-end control set called "RaVCL" (similar to VCL/LCL). Hence, when Raudus becomes commercial, you will deal with Raudus license only.
That keeps us all in the dark about when Raudus will become commercial and how about a price?
For me, for looking at Raudus, it makes big difference if I have to pay 25 or 999 dollar/euro for a license, and better ask on forehand so that I don't have the surprise of having to pay big bucks when my first project with Raudus is ready.
Do you have a clue about the costs and on when commercial version will be needed?
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So it is very unclear, and I would certainly be cautious before investing time and money in Ext (Sencha) related products like ExtPascal and Raudus etc.
Raudus does not use Sencha controls anymore. It has it's own front-end control set called "RaVCL" (similar to VCL/LCL). Hence, when Raudus becomes commercial, you will deal with Raudus license only.
so you are saying that http://samples.raudus.com:88/17-ThemeChanger this is not ExtJS? Have a look ate the source which includes extjs
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Ext JS licensing has always been pretty clear:
http://www.sencha.com/products/extjs/license/
Thanks.
-Phil
Hence the problem, you canot include and distribute it with your binary exe. You have to go open or else pay... and on top of that, if you want to build a developer tool that includes ExtJS you have to pay even more royalty (lots of). Thats why we had no choice and created our JAX tech with XUL.
Hence again my question, Raudus is a developer tool/lib that includes ExtJS, how is it licensed I wonder??? and how are the users supposed to be licensed??? - same problem with ExtPascal.
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Hence the problem, you canot include and distribute it with your binary exe. You have to go open or else pay... and on top of that, if you want to build a developer tool that includes ExtJS you have to pay even more royalty (lots of). Thats why we had no choice and created our JAX tech with XUL.
Hence again my question, Raudus is a developer tool/lib that includes ExtJS, how is it licensed I wonder??? and how are the users supposed to be licensed??? - same problem with ExtPascal.
ExtPascal does not include Ext JS - that's the developer's responsibility.
Thanks.
-Phil
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but you cant run/use ExtPascal without ExtJS
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but you cant run/use ExtPascal without ExtJS
Ext JS licensing has always been pretty clear:
http://www.sencha.com/products/extjs/license/
Thanks.
-Phil
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so you are saying that http://samples.raudus.com:88/17-ThemeChanger this is not ExtJS? Have a look ate the source which includes extjs
This is the example created using 0.8.x branch. Now Raudus since 0.9.x has its own brand new controls. Here is the new example: http://samples.raudus.com:88/18-FishFacts (http://samples.raudus.com:88/18-FishFacts)
Thats why we had no choice and created our JAX tech with XUL.
As far as i know XUL is available in Mozilla products only. Raudus is entirely cross-browser. All desktop and mobile browsers are supported.
That keeps us all in the dark about when Raudus will become commercial and how about a price?
Do you have a clue about the costs and on when commercial version will be needed?
We are thinking of it now. But the price will not be higher than similar products have. What price and licensing model wil be acceptable to you?
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That keeps us all in the dark about when Raudus will become commercial and how about a price?
Do you have a clue about the costs and on when commercial version will be needed?
We are thinking of it now. But the price will not be higher than similar products have. What price and licensing model wil be acceptable to you?
First I wonder what are similar products to your thought?
I'm not going to say the price of the product or in this case price and license to the salesman. :-)
I don't know Raudus better than from a few samples, jus because of the unclear license and price.
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First I wonder what are similar products to your thought?
I'm not going to say the price of the product or in this case price and license to the salesman. :-)
I don't know Raudus better than from a few samples
You are right. You should know Raudus and other web frameworks better before advising the price to salesman.
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Igor, Sorry if I seem offensive. My goal with my question was to have clear what Raudus costs and what the license is before I spend large effords on coding with it.
But I have no clue of a price. Just wondered if you have one.
I dont think that the remark that I should familiarize with other frameworks gives anyone a better answer. Sorry.. ;)
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I have 2 questions: which lazarus is supported at the moment and does Raudus have a Treeview component or is one planned?
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why all the examples I compiled gave a Console with the text "localhost:88" in it but not other form or other action at all??
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The console is a web server embebed, is necesary to debug applecation, change to CGI for publish the project.
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why all the examples I compiled gave a Console with the text "localhost:88" in it but not other form or other action at all??
open your webbroser and connect to localhost:88 or 127.0.0.1:88
and you will see the application
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thank you, mica and otorres!
by the way, how can I find a typical situation for such applications?
What is the great meaning to use this mechanism?
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easy deployment of applications
easy programming of webservices
.You dont need to change or update all the client exes/bins,just change the webservice.
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Heya All! :) Long time no see. Anyway, I have situation and I need some help or more informations if any of you have some... here are steps:
1) create blank raudus application for apache 2.2 under Windows Lazarus
2) compile, it works ok
3) create blank raudus application for apache 2.2. under Linux Lazarus
4) can't compile, this is output from lazarus IDE:
Options changed, recompiling clean with -B
Hint: Start of reading config file /etc/fpc.cfg
Hint: End of reading config file /etc/fpc.cfg
Free Pascal Compiler version 2.6.0 [2012/05/17] for i386
Copyright (c) 1993-2011 by Florian Klaempfl and others
Target OS: Linux for i386
Compiling /tmp/project1.lpr
Compiling unit1.pas
unit1.pas(8,57) Hint: Unit "RaApplication" not used in Unit1
unit1.pas(8,65) Hint: Unit "RaBase" not used in Unit1
Error: Variables cannot be exported with a different name on this target, add the name to the declaration using the "export" directive (variable name: apache_module, declared export name: U_RAAPPLICATIONAPACHE22_APACHE_MODULE)
So i copy "U_RAAPPLICATIONAPACHE22_APACHE_MODULE" to exports apache_module name. And compile again. Now I have this:
unit1.pas(8,57) Hint: Unit "RaApplication" not used in Unit1
unit1.pas(8,65) Hint: Unit "RaBase" not used in Unit1
/usr/bin/ld: warning: link.res contains output sections; did you forget -T?
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lapr-1.dll
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lhttpd.dll
project1.lpr(20,1) Error: Error while linking
project1.lpr(20,1) Fatal: There were 1 errors compiling module, stopping
Here I am lost. Any clues? :) Thanks in advance!
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I just downloaded and intalled Raudus 0.92 for Laz1.02.When I install the package,it complained that->ppu source: RaudusFPC.pas not found.
Yeah I knew the source is not available.But what's the issue?
Thanks for the help in advance.
Regards,
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I just downloaded and intalled Raudus 0.92 for Laz1.02.When I install the package,it complained that->ppu source: RaudusFPC.pas not found.
Yeah I knew the source is not available.But what's the issue?
Do you use 2.6.0 compiler (which I suppose is what Raudus compiled with)?
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Thanks...
Yes,fpc2.6.0 +Laz IDE 1.02 +Raudus 0.9.2 which was mentioned in the Raudus website.
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Hello again!
Indeed there was a problem while installing Raudus for Lazarus. Raudus required exact Lazarus version. Moreover, if you rebuild Lazarus, Raudus became incompatible with your Lazarus (you got "wrong checksum" and "can not find RaCreatorFPC" errors).
The problem is solved. New utility "welding" is introduced. The utility scans and parses Raudus PPUs and Lazarus PPUs, patches Raudus PPUs, and rebinds Raudus foreign links to Lazarus declarations. It also patches checksum bytes in Raudus PPUs to make them equal to Lazarus checksums.
Hence, the only restriction to use Raudus is FreePascal 2.6.0 or 2.6.2 (in other words PPU 134 or PPU 135). Raudus supports any Lazarus deviation - you can make Raudus compatible with any Lazarus build (including dev snapshot) - just run "welding".
The blog post:
http://www.raudus.com/blog/
The manual to install in Lazarus:
http://raudus.wikispaces.com/Install+in+Lazarus
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Taking of evidence on 'raudus use as an apache module arrival at this point. Where do you find the missing libraries?
/usr/bin/ld: can not find -lapr-1.dll
/usr/bin/ld: can not find trovare -lhttpd.dll
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New version Raudus from March
http://www.raudus.com/
Raudus has a vcl.js javascript itself, does not depend on third party, Mobile and Desktop;
Webservice itself ported from a version of the fantastic mongoose;
Support D7 to XE10 through Lázarus;
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Only a pity that the link does not work. :o
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It's security related. The certificate is not valid or revoked or worse a self-signed certicate.
Furthermore the http domain (not https) redirects to argentina.com, which is also suspect.
Even if legit the webmaster or hoster has no clue about secure websites, so don't use for now.
I get this:
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The raudus.com.br domain is not even in the DNS (checked with a global DNS Propagation checker).
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maybe
http://www.raudus.com/
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That makes more sense, but would you trust a web-tool from people that can not handle their website/hosting properly?
Also note that by now the above link has been CHANGED to raudus.com which is:
a) not done. Other people can not check anymore if Jan and I were correct (which we were).
b) it is always better to apologize, correct and for good measure put the correct link in a new post.
All in all, still a mess and not very convincing regarding professional behavior. >:D
Note I tried it before and it is actually very promising software. So I don't want to discourage the developers. O:-)
They/he/she just need some more professional attitude towards their product. Even if it's free. >:(
And point b) is still welcome and would make a good impression.
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The raudus.com.br domain is not even in the DNS (checked with a global DNS Propagation checker).
Than that isn't a very good one, is it? Google resolved (editted: I wrote resolves it) it...which is, ahum, among other things a very good global DNS Propagation checker // >:D >:(
Editted: can be a good one after all: br.net currently throws it away on ping. And that is the top level domain for brazil.
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The raudus.com.br domain is not even in the DNS (checked with a global DNS Propagation checker).
Than that isn't a very good one, is it? Google resolved (editted: I wrote resolves it) it...which is, ahum, among other things a very good global DNS Propagation checker // >:D >:(
Editted: can be a good one after all: br.net currently throws it away on ping. And that is the top level domain for brazil.
By global DNS propagation checker I mean tools like https://www.whatsmydns.net/ which collect DNS query results from over the world. It is still not in the DNS.
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@mjustin
You misunderstood me. As my screenshot proves it WAS in the global DNS (for the top level domain com.br) but it has been recently removed this week.
So "still not" should be "used to be".
This also means that there was a very serious security risk, because top level domain owners (in this case the Brazilian government controlled br.net) rarely use such an ultimate solution as killing it altogether.
There must have been something seriously wrong with that domain.....Usually Google (in this case their "do no evil" is correct) is one of the first to spot this and they ALWAYS put the evidence through to the top level domain owners, who obviously took action and removed it.
When you tested, it was already gone...When I tested, it was still in existence.
Note that to my personal knowledge this also means that the owner should have had a very strong warning by br.net. I had two issues with a .nl domain and a .com domain and was warned by the top-level domain holders to take immediate action. Which I did. Removal did not occur. These sites had been hacked and indeed were compromised.
Funny thing is these sites were just for testing, had some but not all of my usual - just modsecurity and failtoban with 3 - security measures in place and not really advertised and contained a proper robots.txt. Means can happen to almost everybody. Especially when you leave some servers unattended for a long time, which was my mistake.
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Raudus Web Framework disponible License comercial. check web site
http://www.raudus.com
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Raudus Web Framework disponible License comercial. check web site
http://www.raudus.com
Why don't you explain first why it is now OK and you (or your provider..) screwed up.
You should apologize about this very! heavy! security issue. You don't get removed by the top-level domain for nothing....
Then I may look at it again. I already did, before your cock-up. It was very promising.
Explain?
Listen, as I explained it can happen to everybody. Even on unused webservers that happen to be on-line.
Explain and I will test it again. I am trying to help!!! >:D >:D :D :D
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Really promising (NOT) >:D
Wiki: Subscription Expired
Blog: last updated 30-03-2015
Download: only available exclusively via registered email
What the heck is Delphi XE10 Berlin ? (XE isn't used for Delphi 10 Berlin)
And last... not free anymore.
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It was promising. I really looked at it... Some time ago...
Since I only have old stuff and since I stand by my security issues, I suggest to lock on two days or so....
What I think happens here is a very,very young programmer I don't wish to discourage by mistakes he made.
Oh well, I tried.
Have a nice weekend.
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Hi to all,
I've tried to purchase one license. Paid $200 via the requested PayPal account - as it was requested on the download page - and now I have nothing! Later they published the price of $300.
No response to emails, no download code - NOTHING !
The Wiki ist not online any more, no download...
So, at the moment I just can warn everybody to send money to these guys.
Regards,
Tibor
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Hello, I also same problem. I paid, but no one until now has made me have the download link. If you still have not bought the license does not do it until things are no longer clear.
XinYiMan
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Raudus Web Framework disponible License comercial. check web site
http://www.raudus.com
Just send payment, she is beautiful.
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These days I got the Windows version, even though I had requested one for linux. Now I look who send me one for linux. I would say that something is moving.
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Yes agree with other sentiments, bit of a joke they now want $200 but the forum has been taken offline and the wiki subscription has expired.
Doesn't really inspire much confidence. Originally said new version coming and would be ready March/April, now May and nothing.
At least have the decency to put out some comms even if the product isn't ready.
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Don't pay. Ignore. Pity.
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New video build app pascal to Web Client
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utWtpKBuXBc&t=2s
Forum raudus is enabled
tanks
Cristiano Barbosa
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New update Raudus to Lazarus 1.6.4 and 1.8rc5
check www.raudus.com
at
Cristiano Barbosa
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this tool already helped me built amazing apps
cheers, 8-)
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i,m using igor version, not paid version, it does more than u expected, i already revert all dekstop app functions into a handy one , it works very well. this apps is for small to mid size company POS, almost same like zahir accounting, but this was the easy use one.
free version works like a charm
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>:D
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It's a nice tool
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Any news?
Website isn't fully working. No downloads anymore. Samples do not work.
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point your browser to torry net, search for raudus.
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This one using free version from igor, you can use bootstrap as library by using its js processor.
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lazarus IDE + Raudus
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Raudus + lazarus in action.
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i,m using igor version, not paid version, it does more than u expected, i already revert all dekstop app functions into a handy one , it works very well. this apps is for small to mid size company POS, almost same like zahir accounting, but this was the easy use one.
free version works like a charm
Hi, you are mentioning a free Raudus version? Can you please provide download link? Who is maintainer?
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Raudus is completely irrelevant and just causes problems. Ignore it and don't use it.
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Raudus is completely irrelevant and just causes problems. Ignore it and don't use it.
And you know that because of....???
Are you in any way related to raudus?
Any further explanation?
Or just completely irrelevant trolling that one better ignores?
Luggi
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i,m using igor version, not paid version, it does more than u expected, i already revert all dekstop app functions into a handy one , it works very well. this apps is for small to mid size company POS, almost same like zahir accounting, but this was the easy use one.
free version works like a charm
Hi, you are mentioning a free Raudus version? Can you please provide download link? Who is maintainer?
Search using google, many third parties host this file. If u use lazarus u must use weld its compiled unit to ur lazarus. Use exact version lazarus defined by its creator n u would see magic happens :D
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Its db grid not work pretty well on latest chrome, u must re code to view your data on chrome. It also support geolocation, it means u could build selfie pic + ur location in a single tap.
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This also using this framework