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Miscellaneous => Other => Topic started by: mercurhyo on May 21, 2022, 09:34:32 pm
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Hi pascalian friends.
long time ago (25 years to be precise) I found out a tiny scripting language for lazy idiot people... so I gave it a try (2 - 3 weeks long) just before I did put in in my trash can. This "language", an interpreted slow unstructured cumbersome one, if I remember, was named "python"
Nowadays, ALL (and why not... maybe more) young people wanting to be "smartest of the world" say they are python gods.
To my opinion, they are a bunch of international fools, a new generation coding big craps in all directions with so much bugs that they gonna spend years and years to correct their craps.
So, dear pascalian friends, the Question is
why stupid languages become popular? are programmers alike? and what you think you, real pros about python vs Pascal?
Thanks friends
Please don't fight each other in this open conversation LOL (if not too hard hehehe)
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why stupid languages become popular? are programmers alike? and what you think you, real pros about python vs Pascal?
because everyone, including programmers like instant gratification and there are a number of languages in a number of areas of programming that can provide it.
python is quite good for writing throw-away programs (disclaimer: I don't use it.) Real software development languages, such as C, Pascal, etc, can be used to produce software that lasts.
Python and similar languages (e.g, Java) are like drugs, they make their users feel good in a very short amount of time and, that seems to be very important these days. It should be stated though that, there is a place for languages that are well suited for writing throw away programs (AWK is another example, wonderful for text processing.)
Eventually these Python "programmers" will realize their programming knowledge is comparable to my neighbor's dog knowledge of Quantum Mechanics. A few will graduate to a computer language and others will indulge in more of their binary drug to forget.
and life goes on.... :)
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Eventually these Python "programmers" will realize their programming knowledge is comparable to my neighbor's dog knowledge of Quantum Mechanics. A few will graduate to a computer language and others will indulge in more of their binary drug to forget.
and life goes on.... :)
oh my !... thank you so much :D now we can feel like trees and roots because these "barking dogs" pee on us hahahahaha Love you 440bx REALLY!
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I mostly agree with 440bx, except that I wouldn't include Java in the same bag as Python. IMO Java is a good serious language.
WTW, Python has good reputation because it has immediate mode similar than good old BASIC, and also because it has a huge collection of libraries (in this case, Java is similar ::)) so you can do a lot of things just calling one routine (in this case, it is like ECMA/JavaScript+JQuery).
To be clear, I've learned Python recently and I don't like it a lot. I prefer QuickBASIC to write throw-away programs.
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Python is good for
- prototyping. You can make some skeleton quickly.
- scripting language for C/Pascal apps. CudaText (link in signature) and Sublime Text use it.
- learning of programming
- math calculations in some high-level apps. Jupiter Notebook.
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So, dear pascalian friends, the Question is
why stupid languages become popular? are programmers alike? and what you think you, real pros about python vs Pascal?
Thanks friends
Hi!
Why do people vote for Donald Trump or Boris Johnson?
There are a lot of mysteries on earth that I don't understand.
Winni
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Why do people vote for Donald Trump
Because Trump suggests different strategy for american people: America First, global projects and e.g. China relations 2nd.
For ex, he was returning factories to USA.
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I think the problem is that any one who can write a few lines and execute the program, are called programmer. A young man called me dinosaur, because I said that any interpreted lenguage like python is not good, and can't not used in real applications (or serius). This young man is a electronic engineer, and he calls himself a programmer, because he can read code.
But the programmer (real one) is a person who can read code, and understand what happens with this code. How is interpreted, or compiled. How are stored into memory, how are process by cpu.., etc. "What happens in the back room".
My first computer, was a commoder Vic20 with 3 kb of Ram, and I learned that you can program many ways, but only a few ways are fast and consume few resources. I had to learn what happens with my code. Now you can buy a computer with tons of resources (ram, cpu, etc). So people lost perspective of what they are doing. The important thing is: write code fast as you can, if you need other server is not my problem, buy new one (new server =more space + electrical consumtion + more hot in the room... etc).
I work with Industrial Robots, some manufacter can manage four robot (six axes per robot) with only a cpu. A cpu with a intel celeron at 1600Mhz and 1024 Mb, People say: the programmer must be aliens. And I think, this programers are from earth, the difference is that people know the impact of the code that they write.
/BlueIcaro
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Why do people vote for Donald Trump or Boris Johnson?
There are a lot of mysteries on earth that I don't understand.
Because there is an apparently significant percentage of people who like to complain and, they'll vote for whoever will give them a lot to complain about. They are kindred spirits. One characteristic of mediocre people is, they complain a lot and they accomplish very little that is positive (if anything at all) but, they are usually very good at bragging, e.g, their hair transplants and their gold-digging trophy wife among other "great" accomplishments and, of course, like all deeply ignorant entities, they know everything.
Other than that, it's a mystery. :)
Personally, I prefer space mysteries over earth "mysteries". For instance, what's a black hole made of ?... is there space inside a black hole or is it a single "particle" ? those things might be singularities in more ways than one.
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For instance, what's a black hole made of ?... is there space inside a black hole or is it a single "particle" ?
Dont worry too much about this because black hole does not exist. (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/mar/02/black-hole-that-was-closest-yet-found-does-not-exist-say-scientists-in-u-turn)
And it seems that gravity does not exist (https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/science/13gravity.html) too.
;)
Fre;D
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Dont worry too much about this because black hole does not exist. (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/mar/02/black-hole-that-was-closest-yet-found-does-not-exist-say-scientists-in-u-turn)
And it seems that gravity does not exist (https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/science/13gravity.html[color=blue) too.
;)
Fre;D
Hi!
And they struggle if the Hubble Constant is constant.
The detected different values in different measures.
And it seems that some little green aliens (or whoever) did a Man-In-the-Middle attack to Voyager 1.
Winni
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And it seems that gravity does not exist (https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/science/13gravity.html[color=blue) too.
Broken Link
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And it seems that gravity does not exist (https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/science/13gravity.html[color=blue) too.
Broken Link
Hum, it seems that the "url-symlink" does not work. (Maybe the "url-symlink" uses gravity :-X)
[EDIT] Ooops, fixed, my fault :-[
The "direct" link gives more chance: https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/science/13gravity.html
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And it seems that some little green aliens (or whoever) did a Man-In-the-Middle attack to Voyager 1.
Winni
Link:
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/engineers-investigating-nasas-voyager-1-telemetry-data (https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/engineers-investigating-nasas-voyager-1-telemetry-data)
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And it seems that some little green aliens (or whoever) did a Man-In-the-Middle attack to Voyager 1.
Winni
Link:
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/engineers-investigating-nasas-voyager-1-telemetry-data (https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/engineers-investigating-nasas-voyager-1-telemetry-data)
Or there is a bug in the Theory...
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The "direct" link gives more chance: https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/science/13gravity.html
No, still a pay wall. Probably a good thing, if I read it and Gravity does, in fact, not exist, I'd go flying off the face of the earth at 25000 K/h. So, please, do be careful about what you read.
Davo
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Python is good for
- prototyping. You can make some skeleton quickly.
- scripting language for C/Pascal apps. CudaText (link in signature) and Sublime Text use it.
- learning of programming
- math calculations in some high-level apps. Jupiter Notebook.
There are many languages that are good for all things you said. Some examples: Lua has a simple syntax, is easy to learn, easy to embed into anything, has great performance. Same things apply to Tcl. Same about Lisp, except the ease to learn. Many applications use these as scripting languages.
For other things, there are alternatives which are just as good as P*thon, or better: Ruby and Perl are two good examples.
I think the problem is that any one who can write a few lines and execute the program, are called programmer.
Or "Software """Engineers"""" as they're often called. ::)
So, dear pascalian friends, the Question is
why stupid languages become popular? are programmers alike? and what you think you, real pros about python vs Pascal?
Here's an amusing read about programming languages: https://archive.ph/3HguM (https://archive.ph/3HguM)
440bx makes a good point about instant gratification. I see several forms of stupidity:
Illusion of "power" - thinking that a language is powerful and better than others, because there exist for it several large libraries for complex things. Woah you can create a HTTP web server in two lines? Complex statistics, graphs? Amazing, such a powerful language.
Herd mentality - using a language because it's more popular than others. P*thon has been at the top of TIOBE index for a long time. 6 billion projects on Sh*thub are written using it. More popular = better, always.
Novelty, modernness, progress - newer things are always better than those that came before them. G*lang, R*st, are modern languages. They are better than older ones. We should rewrite everything that exists using them, because they are better languages. They are modern and we should use them for modern software.
These relate to the stupidity of users. Because nowadays programmers are often spineless effeminate weak clueless naïve gullible cowards. Follow whatever trends are popular at a given moment. Believe in "progress" "humanity", whatever lies they are told by their masters. Have no personality whatsoever; no aesthetic sense, an awful taste for even the lowest forms of art. Pragmatism. Twisted ideas of form, beauty, goodness. Products, soulless automata made to obey, follow and consume.
So we see P*thon, J*vaScript and other filth becoming popular and praised.
Then there's big numbers behind that language. G*ogle, M*cro$oft, Am*zon for instance, have been funneling generous amounts into the P*thon language's foundation recently. Colleges teaching it. Big corporations using it. Then smaller corporations. Then the aforementioned people are either compelled or induced to use it. This applies to other languages as well, and related things - for example, Sh*thub having been swallowed for some billions recently. "Open Source" being target of Embrace and Extension™ in recent years.
Back to P*thon. Perhaps there's some theological principle here - a language whose name, willing or not, is an old, well-known symbol, ruling over. :)