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Fred vS:

--- Quote from: trev on August 11, 2021, 03:14:25 pm ---The last time I used Wine to try to run MS Office, it was as slow as molasses.
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Ha, excellent news!
Of course a big app like MS Office will be much slower but the feat is to have been able to run MS Office on a Mac via Wine.

So for a simple fpGUI-MSEgui application, using widgets tested on the Mac, with the Mac-look, there are lot of chance to get something presentable, with quasi same speed as a native mac-app.


--- Quote from: trev on August 11, 2021, 03:14:25 pm ---I have ported a few applications from Delphi to Lazarus + FPC and it was generally a reasonably quick process with the pay off that the application then worked on Linux and FreeBSD too. It reminded me of porting a Delphi application to Kylix which I did over a weekend back in the day.

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Of course, fpc is fantastic for nearly all architectures, I have perfect result out-of-the-box with very few "{$ ifdef ..."} for complicated apps compiled for Win32/Win64, Linux32/64, FreeBSD32/64 this for Intel, arm, arch64 CPU.

( But, with the Mac, it is not out-of-the-box,  :-X )

Fre;D

Jonas Maebe:

--- Quote from: devEric69 on August 11, 2021, 02:34:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: Jonas Maebe on August 11, 2021, 02:16:29 pm ---You're all ...\...

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(???) @Jonas Maebe: concerning me, the so-called "childish" aspect you're talking in this discussion of facts, I'm seeing it only in you flameware comments, personally. That said no one is preventing anyone from being a Mac user, in my technical arguments listed above.

Best regards.

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Sorry about the "all", that was indeed an over-generalisation, and you indeed did not make any such comments. I was just getting tired of the "dirtying" and "expensive toy" comments.

Fred vS:

--- Quote from: devEric69 on August 11, 2021, 09:50:25 am ---[off topic on]
AFAIK, there should be a way to easily install or emulate X11 on a Mac (so, creating for Mac a fpGUI application could be possible).
[off topic off]

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Imho, this was true in the past, when Mac has XQuartz installed by default (like in Linux XWayland on Wayland-machine).
Also X11 is dead.  It still move but no more interest, Wayland is the successor.

And at the end, only one survivor of the heroic times of beginning: Windows and graphic GDI interface, still working on Win10 machine.
So maybe the last doable trick is to use the Wine-GDI and a fpGUI/MSEgui Win64 application (that both use GDI).
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devEric69:

--- Quote from: trev on August 11, 2021, 03:14:25 pm ---I'm not sure WineBottler could be considered "porting" :-)

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I also asked myself - too much - the same question :D .

Have a nice day (with Apple or whatever you're using), @Jonas Maebe.

Peace @Fred.

fpGUI over X11 (actively maintained here: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg) and MS-GDI "rocks".

skalogryz:

--- Quote from: Jonas Maebe on August 11, 2021, 04:28:18 pm ---I was just getting tired of the "dirtying" and "expensive toy" comments.

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There's nothing wrong for "toys" to be "expensive".

Apple has always had a reputation of the high-end tech company. Apple has always been "blamed" for their products to be more expensive than competitors.
This is just their business model. Why not?! They're making the trend anyway. Other companies tend to copy Apple design and approaches.

The higher cost of the equipment kept a lot of (CS students?) away from the hardware.
Thus the number of CS enthusiasts are lower on macOS, than it's for Linux.
As a result Open Source manpower is limited for macOS and many libraries are not up-to-date for macOS platform. And there's not much demand for opensource like solutions as well.

Sure, there're OpenSource people working for macOS target, but it's more of an exception, rather than the rule. (unlike i.e. Linux. where having a "linux version" is more of a rule, rather than an exception)

... and I'd call my recently purchased M1 more of a(n expensive) "toy" rather than a "tool". Just because for me it's a hobby rather than a job.

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