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jacobite2020

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Is lazarus dead again?
« on: February 22, 2020, 12:50:28 am »
Just wondering if Python is the way to go.
String handling, Right to left laungage handling on UTF-8 is much more efficient.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Shall await the rebuttal, am asking honestly folks.

Thanks,
Jac

winni

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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2020, 01:46:18 am »
Yes, it is dead.

That's why it is called Lazarus.

jamie

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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2020, 02:11:57 am »
Just wondering if Python is the way to go.
String handling, Right to left laungage handling on UTF-8 is much more efficient.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Shall await the rebuttal, am asking honestly folks.

Thanks,
Jac

Python LOL

A want a be coders language..

More like a pumped up script engine..
Number 1 at blue screen app creations!

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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2020, 02:21:59 am »
Probably would have something to do with what you want to do, and your familiarity with the tools  I pull out a calculator to do arithmetic, even though Laz/FP can do it.  Anything more complicated, or that needs longevity, Laz/FP is my goto toolchain.
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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2020, 02:38:00 am »
I'll take flame bait. Lazarus is never dead. Only thing that keeps me sane

Python code has a tendency to break overnight even if you seemingly didn't change anything. And don't get me started on charset handling in python2 that a lot of tools still depend on. One good example is the waf build system that's basically unworkable trash

Python 3 will fix a lot of stuff surely but it's really late to the party. The python 2 to 3 conversion took exactly 10 years too long proving that you should have no confidence in Guido for anything.

Python is a great language if all you write is trash

GAN

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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2020, 03:05:47 am »
Do not mix apples with oranges. Python is an interpreted language.
And not feed the troll.
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Thaddy

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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2020, 10:23:39 am »
@GAN
Python is a convenient glue to use real implementations in compiled languages. I like it a lot for that reason.
Also note Python -with some restrictions - can actually be compiled into native code.
After correcting this misconception: a fully native language like FreePascal has the potential to outperform languages like Python, but that is not a given fact.

Anyway, I like FreePascal and I like Python and use them both..  Also note the subject is a bit muddy, since the FreePascal back-ends like Java and pas2js..... to name just two...and bindings for Python and the other way around.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2020, 10:27:50 am by Thaddy »
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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2020, 11:16:03 am »
@ jacobite2020

However I also believe that it is more correct to compare python with FPC than to compare python with Lazzarus.

Otto.
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[I'm not a native English speaker.]

Otto

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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2020, 11:21:41 am »
@ Thaddy

Is something similar to IronPython planned in Lazarus' development plan?
In the sense of something that can compile sources written in languages other than the FPC that can produce a single deployable file. It would also be fine if you were to distribute a pre-compiled library in addition to the compiled project file.

Otto.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2020, 11:36:29 am by Otto »
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del

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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2020, 12:30:26 pm »
No. It's not dead. I'm using it as we speak. String handling is child's play. Lazarus is for building GUI's. But if you don't even know Python I would suggest you start there. At least you can put it on your resume. Everybody else does.

Thaddy

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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2020, 01:34:38 pm »
@ jacobite2020

However I also believe that it is more correct to compare python with FPC than to compare python with Lazzarus.

Otto.
That is also a bit shortsighted: Lazarus is just a set of features built on top of  FreePascal. I don't see why you can't built the same using Python. (efforts in that direction have been made, btw)
It can - in principle - be done with any language. It is just that Delphi and FreePascal/Lazarus are miles ahead, even after 25 years....
 (to be specific: they are two way tools, changes in code reflect GUI and changes in GUI reflect code as well)
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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2020, 01:56:22 pm »
Just wondering if Python is the way to go.
String handling, Right to left laungage handling on UTF-8 is much more efficient.

Maybe I'm missing something.

The rest of your argument? Misspelled incendiary and low-effort attempt by a first poster, if there is not a good follow up real soon this thread will be removed.

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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2020, 02:05:57 pm »
... if there is not a good follow up real soon this thread will be removed.
Now, that's the way to go. :)
using FPC v3.0.4 and Lazarus 1.8.2 on Windows 7 64bit.

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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2020, 02:22:00 pm »
I suspect this is the same troll with a different nickname, which occasionally appears during the weekend ... I would be curious to see the IP addresses in the web server logs to confirm my hypothesis.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2020, 02:27:25 pm by simone »
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Otto

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Re: Is lazarus dead again?
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2020, 02:37:20 pm »
@ Thaddy

Hello Thaddy.
Probably, in the previous post, I had expressed myself badly (I'm not native English speakers). The comment was aimed at jacobite2020 and in a sense in line with that of GAN.
Surely you're right: FPC and Lazarus are intimately linked. The development of one influences the development of the other.

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Salve Thaddy.
Probabilmente, nel precedente post, mi ero espresso male (non sono madrelingua inglese). Il commento era rivolto a jacobite2020 ed in un certo senso in linea a quello di GAN.
Sicuramente hai ragione: FPC e Lazarus sono intimamente legati. Lo sviluppo dell’uno influenza lo sviluppo dell’altro.

Otto.
Kind regards.
[I'm not a native English speaker.]