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PhilipCopeman

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Suggested Logos and Icons
« on: April 28, 2007, 10:09:12 pm »
Can I introduce myself - I am Philip Copeman from the TurboCASH Accounting project - 100 000 lines of Delphi that I want to convert to Lazarus. We have 50 000 users so it will be a long and painful process. I am determined to do it. I have been with Delphi for over 20 years, so this was no light decision.

I am looking forward to a long downstreaming relationship with Lazarus. In the TurboCASH project I specialise in Graphics and User interface. So before I start asking you for things, here is my opening contribution to you guys:

I find the Lazarus program image a little old fashioned and not keeping up with the new Aero look or using Alpha channel for that gloss effect. The main Splash is OK, but is starting to look a little Windows 98ish. The ugly little pic, of the Cheetah looks really bad as a program logo in 16X16 and the cat on the pole loses impact at 48X48 on the desktop.

The program  Icons in the tool bars are definitely in need of an upgrade and the basic components default to a very old fashioned look - we can get to that later, lets begin with the program Icon and its representation in 48X48 and 16X16.

You should be looking to Vista and Gnome for leadership in this area. The vast majority of downloaders will make a decision on the quality of your code in a few seconds of visual contact with your program,the decision to actually look at the quality of your code is secondary - KNOCK EM DEAD WITH ONE PUNCH!

Here are some suggestions


These images are available in .ico and .png and in High res .Jpeg and very high res .psp http://www.box.co.za/wiki/index.php/Lazarus_Logos

Here is an example of implementing these prnciples in Flags for international versions of the program.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Vista_icons#Button_Flags

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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2007, 12:01:10 am »
Welcome.

"The vast majority of downloaders will make a decision on the quality of your code in a few seconds of visual contact with your program."

Now I understand Microsoft...

In my opinion, interface could reflect code quality. Free Pascal and Lazarus pages on Internet are beauty, beauty like open source idea, like Free Pascal and Lazarus ideas.

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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2007, 04:40:55 pm »
Well, he has a point, and you don't have to see it as bad as you do.

I for example, take a look at screenshots before I download anything. And if I see that the software uses a bunch custom controls, doesn't stick to the smallest amount of user interface guidelines, if I see flat instead of standard buttons for example, or if I see an app uses .NET, I don't even download it, making that decisions in just a few seconds.

But, on the other hand: I absolutely like the current image - it reflects Lazarus very well! It has a meaning - actually multiple ones, from standing atop of that other greek IDE to RAD to including the name. All of that is missing in PhilipCopemans suggestions (which are nice, but just don't fit imho).

Regarding the toolbar icons: I like them as well as they are. They're far above the 9x standard, and more important  - they are clearer to recognizethan most toy new icons. An option to toogle to 24x24 sized icons would be nice, I have to admit that (just for very high resolutions), but otherwise I think they're more a sign for a good quality beneath than the Delphi IDE, which imho is showing that CodeGear spends too much time on good looks and too few time on quality.

As for the component icons - Delphi showed how bad new icons can be. The newer Delphi component icons are all way more "modern", which only leads to me spending way too much time finding what I need, while the current icons are much easier for locating whatever one is looking for (and yes, I use a horizontal toolbar in Delphi as well, so I can compare directly, not just with that new vertical bar).

The main icon could one improvement though, that's the point where I totally agree :)
The Cheetah suggestion without a background would probably immediately get my vote, if it wasn't 275 KB just for the icon :D and if it would look a bit clearer in 16x16 and 32x32 (resolutions still used most often).

The one thing that lets the IDE look outdated is that it doesn't support docking. That indeed looks very unprofessional (imho), and doesn't reflect too good on Lazarus. But for that, you would have to provide code patches, not graphics ;)
And while the FreePascal internet pages look really nice, this Lazarus portal here looks like a cheap gamers clan forum. I personally don't have any problem with that though.

So, to sum it up: if I had to decide on Lazarus on a quick first look, the current toolbar icons and the splash screen would win over any Vista-style-big-bigger-biggest-artwork.

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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2007, 07:36:27 pm »
One could say the best Public Relations of Lazarus is Lazarus itself. If code is bad represented by interface, something could be done.

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RE: Suggested Logos and Icons
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2007, 09:55:45 am »
CCRDude

Glad to know that there are some people that are thinking about this. Don't get too stuck up on Vista. Follow what they are doing in Gnome and Ubuntu. Without doubt every major project needs an  art team to handle these issues.

What we do in TurboCASH is give the user the ability to configure his interface from within the program and certainly you should have an option to pick up the Themes of the OS that you are running on.

The idea is not not to plan our own interface, but to make the develoeprs comming into project  have an easy entry and to have the output code easily fit into the new interfaces. Sorry about your desire for flat icons, but that simply is not that way the work s going. You will simply be out of step is you don't move with them.

Interface is not really something that Lazarus can determine, they can only follow. I am not an interace designer - I am an interface thief.

I am afraid Icons will keep getting bigger. This is domoanited by Vista, either you follow them or you will end up shortly looking like all those classic DOS programs.

OK let mwe work on the 16 Bit icons.

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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2007, 11:20:20 am »
Lazarus is different then most other programs as it's targeted at software developers, and not end users, so having clear icons and a clean interface is much more important then eye-candy.

About the Vista general icons for file open and other routines, imho the current lazarus icons are better and clearer

Of course we always need improved looks, but I'm not convinced of this particular sugestions.

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2007, 11:18:15 am »
Hello everybody, well, Version 1.0.0 of Lazarus is coming, and we need to celebrate this event. I also thinks that the logo and the icons are a bit out of fashion, for this reason I have decided to draw a new logo for Lazarus.
Here it is.

(http://www.freewebs.com/bpsoftware/Lazarus_Test_Logo_1.png)

Why is the logo designed so? Well, its art, here is the explanation.

The images under are the logos of various operating systems, with the meaning that Lazarus is cross platform and it works on different OS's. In the image above the Leopard isn still anymore, but he jumped away from the coulumn, because this will happen with the release of Laarus 1.0.0 the project will take its way ahead and jump!!

I would like to know from other users what they think og this logo, where can it be perfectionated and if they would like this to become the new logo of Lazarus.

I really hope you like it.

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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2007, 11:22:29 am »
Nice idea, when the time is there, i'll think of it. We might use it on some relase news. However,  I like the old fonts & drawing of "the Lazarus project" more than these
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2007, 01:43:40 pm »
Well, the fonts can be changed. But which drawings where you referring to? I will make other modifycations and publish them here.

Did you ment this fonts?
http://lazarus-ccr.sourceforge.net/

Better?

(http://www.freewebs.com/bpsoftware/Lazarus_test_Logo_2.png)

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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2007, 03:00:07 pm »
Cool, but I dislike the OS/2 logo, the 'old' one was more beautiful.
=> (http://www.sci.muni.cz/~mikulik/figs/os2logo.gif)
By the way, may be it's possible to use the eComStation logo, since that's the latest release for OS/2.
=> (http://www.russharvey.bc.ca/os2/graphics/e-ball.jpg)
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2007, 11:35:21 pm »
You are actually right, I will change the OS/2 Logo, I don't know with which one with the ol one or maybe with the eCom station, I will make some tests,  

By the way, what do you think of the title, is it better or was the previous bettere? or do you have any other ideas?

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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2007, 06:12:15 pm »
Can "The Lazarus Project" be as simple as "freepascal" word? Then your logo will look more professional. Current title is good for some shooter game but not for professional software.

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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2007, 12:23:47 pm »
I mean the
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2007, 11:58:02 am »
Well, maybe this is a bit better
I wanted to add the ReactOS logo, but I am not sure Lazarus works on it. Somebody knows it=
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(http://www.freewebs.com/bpsoftware/Lazarus_test_Logo_3.png)

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2007, 12:15:29 pm »
Does Lazarus work on OS/2?