Do you agree that Lazarus needs modern graphics?

[Fred vS]

What does not change does not remain.

Typo, you are the one i follow...

Hum, back to basic.

I propose to change the shape of the splash screen form, using function AControl.SetShape(ABitmap).

The shape of the splash-screen would be something like that :

[jwdietrich]

What does not change does not remain.

This cites Heraclitus of Ephesus, a wise man. It applies to much, but not to everything.

[typo]

The shape of the splash-screen would be something like that :

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var
  hRegion: HRGN;
begin
  hRegion := BitmapToRegion((Image1.Picture.Bitmap.Handle), clWhite);
  SetWindowRgn(form1.Handle, hRegion, True);
end;   


[JuhaManninen]

I propose to change the shape of the splash screen form, using function AControl.SetShape(ABitmap).

I think the clear message has been that it will not be changed. Besides your pic is a logo, not a splash screen. The splash screen has enough space to show a detailed picture. Now you want to replace the beautiful picture with a simple logo which is ugly and boring when enlarged so much. As a small logo it is OK.

What is happening now? The splash screen has become an issue bigger than life.
Please remember that nobody has asked to replace the splash screen because there already is a good one. This whole thread was started by a person who lost his common sense of relativity when designing the web page and getting too much conflicting info.
People are wasting time for this while there are parts in Lazarus that would truly need improvement.

Partly this is about leaving a "piss mark" to the project, like dogs do when they come to a new place.
The splash screen is the first thing anybody sees. A new person wanting to contribute something thinks:
"Oh, there are 1.5 million LOC. It is too difficult for me but at least I want to leave my piss mark to the project's splash screen.
I know it is an ugly piss mark but it is my piss mark!".

@typo: why you waste your energy for this childish piss marking?
We made team work earlier for a StringList derivative, remember.
Your original design was truly from arse but finally we managed to make the TDictionaryStringList.
Now, it is time for you to dive into Lazarus code and do something useful.

One more thing: let's take care that nsunny does not loose his mental health during this process.
He is young. He wants to succeed in what he does. He is not used to this direct criticism. He interprets it as political or cultural thing.
That is why I hope to get help from others to finish the visual issues in the web page.

Juha

[typo]

I am just answering the question.

I do not intend to prohibit him from discussing it.

While he is not offensive, his opinion is worth of listening.

[JuhaManninen]

Well, I think I crossed the line of good taste with my last post. It happens more easily in virtual communication that in a live one.
I even got a PM about it.
Anybody who feels offended please let me know and I will apologise in a personal message.
I should have used different wording at least.

Juha

[typo]

Even Microsoft knows that innovation comes from motivated people.

[Fred vS]

Now you want to replace the beautiful picture with a simple logo which is ugly and boring when enlarged so much

JuhaManninen, cool man, we are in the same ship and nobody wants to sink.

I do not want to replace the picture, i propose to change the shape of the splash form, with something else than a traditional rectangle.

And the shape of the logo was a example.

Dont be afraid about propositions and wishes, nobody wants to impose you anything.

I think the clear message has been that it will not be changed

I hope that you are joking or maybe everything what opposite to your thinking are bad.

[Martin_fr]

I think the clear message has been that it will not be changed

I hope that you are joking or maybe everything what opposite to your thinking are bad.

Well has any of the developers spoken in favour for that change yet?

Some people thought (or still think) it should be done. In the beginning of this thread they brought forward the reasons and ideas they had.

All I can say is, that so far it has not convinced any of those who will have to make the decision.

Also the more recent posts have not actually added any content to the thread. They were mostly a repeat of previous posts, and some images of rather questionable quality. (The idea of changing the form is not adding anything either, so long as no reason is acknowledged to actually do something at all).

At this point you can yourself calculate the odds, what a continuation of this thread will bring.


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And to be clear: I read the beginning of this thread with an open mind. I accept that people see different things in the same logo. But that alone can not be reason enough, as it applies to every logo, including any new one.

[Fred vS]

All I can say is, that so far it has not convinced any of those who will have to make the decision.

That is exactly the point who disturbs me.
Who will have to make the decision ?
Who are the boss in the Lazarus project ?

I do not like that secret.

[Martin_fr]

All I can say is, that so far it has not convinced any of those who will have to make the decision.

That is exactly the point who disturbs me.
Who will have to make the decision ?
Who are the boss in the Lazarus project ?

I do not like that secret.

No secrets there:  http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Developer_pages
(also http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/History )

Not all people listed are currently active.

[JanRoza]

And next to the persons on the developers list we are all a bit decision maker. The developers do listen to what users want or need. And although Juha may have used an unfortunate choice of words I fully agree with him and say: "Can we now please spend all our energy and time on making Lazarus/FreePascal better and stop wasting time a something as unimportant as style?"
I know lots of products that look 100 times as good as Lazarus but don't perform as expected, so I settle for a less stylish product that lives up to the users expectations as far as programming possiblities and ease of use are concerned.
Like Martin already said I haven't seen any Lazarus users expressing the need for a new style, so let us please move on.
   

[Fred vS]

Can we now please spend all our energy and time on making Lazarus/FreePascal better and stop wasting time a something as unimportant as style?

I spent lot of energy and time on making Lazarus/FreePascal better, my friend.

And speaking one afternoon about style of a project that takes a big part of my brain for years, sorry, but i think it is important too.

[jwdietrich]

The current splash screen is much better than every draft that was suggested in this thread. I would therefore plead to keep the current version as it is (at least for the present).

Apart from that there are more than 2000 unresolved bugs at http://bugs.freepascal.org, many of them are more important than a splash screen.

[Fred vS]

The current splash screen is much better than every draft that was suggested in this thread

Ok, Big Chief, You are the One who knows what is good/bad.

I was thinking that Lazarus was a Open project.

It seems that with the time, it becomes a project very "bourgeois" who can not  " se remettre en question ".
I let you use your hated Google Translator to translate it.